I think this may also depend upon the type of hair your dog has. Some may always have those wispy baby hairs that fall down. I tried for years to not cut hair around the eyes. My boys are 4 & 5 yo and I recently started trimming a little more under the eyes and on top of the nose. My dogs have very short noses, which is adorable, but I think a shorter muzzle makes it harder to keep hair out of eyes. Always a problem with hair on muzzle sticking up, so I finally trimmed that too! Now considering cutting off topknots, since my arthritis is bad and also everyone always thinks my boys are girls! Pretty boys, I say!