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**Avec Bravissimo** · 11-25-2012, 06:54 PM

Thanks, once more! :-)

I sure hope I can handle him myself...I'm a little overwhelmed. But last time I put a Ch on my dog (Pap and Corgi) they didn't have this amateur owner/handler class (as far as I remember), so it will let me get my feet wet before I have to look a major straight in the eye...

Both his mother & father have US and European titles, so he's probably got the goods....it's me that is in question. *sigh*

**Sylie** · 11-25-2012, 09:06 PM

all you need to do is become invisible...lol...as if that were an easy task. Good luck, it is certainly going to be a hard, but rewarding experience.

**bellaratamaltese** · 11-25-2012, 09:14 PM

Hi and welcome!!

Your pap is adorable! His parents looks gorgeous too. I have a lot of friends with papillions and they are great little dogs. very very showy!

Are you planning on coming to eukanuba this year?

**Avec Bravissimo** · 11-25-2012, 10:24 PM

Well...what I'm doing (so far) is joining our local dog training club, starting handling classes in January, and aiming for a puppy match in late January. After that, everything is an open book.

Bravo's breeder is not competing at this time, but is a great cheerleader.

I don't know how else to start..all the Pap people I knew in the 80s have retired or moved away. The dog training club (been around for more than 20 years) seemed like a good place to start.

I'm a bit lost right now...but hopeful that the people at the etc will be helpful....

**bellaratamaltese** · 11-25-2012, 11:07 PM

Are you on Facebook? I can 'introduce' you to the pap show breeders i know - FB is a great way to network and learn from the more experienced!!!

I would think the training classes would be helpful - just hopefully it is not one of those ones that 'pretend' dog show but don't give you any concrete or useful handling advice. Free stacking is one of the most important things you can teach your baby because they are not generally hand stacked ( i don't think) what i like doing is watching the Westminster breed videos and see what they do!

**Katkoota** · 11-25-2012, 11:20 PM

Welcome to SM! Oh my!! Your Pap is sooooo cute

(I love this breed too), so please feel free to post as many thread as you wish ; and enjoy the forum

Sent from Kat's iPad

**silverhaven** · 11-25-2012, 11:46 PM

Oooh welcome! what a little cutie. His parents are gorgeous too.

they hold themselves beautifully. Love the colours too.

**Lynzodolly** · 11-26-2012, 03:07 AM

Hi Kelly I'm quite new to this forum too it's great it gives so much advice here and help and from some of the posts I have read they really are one big helpful family

your little bravo is so cute

x

**Avec Bravissimo** · 11-26-2012, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bellaratamaltese

Are you on Facebook? I can 'introduce' you to the pap show breeders i know - FB is a great way to network and learn from the more experienced!!!

I would think the training classes would be helpful - just hopefully it is not one of those ones that 'pretend' dog show but don't give you any concrete or useful handling advice. Free stacking is one of the most important things you can teach your baby because they are not generally hand stacked ( i don't think) what i like doing is watching the Westminster breed videos and see what they do!

Yes, I am on FB :-) I will PM you my email address. Thanks SO much!!

**Avec Bravissimo** · 11-26-2012, 07:03 AM

Thank you Kat, Silver, and Lyn!

I have started to clicker train him for free-stacking...Bella, you are correct - he needs to be able to free-stack. So far it's going well because if he stops square, it's almost a perfect stack.

I'm also working on holding eye contact and moving out on a lead.

Maybe next weekend I'll have my husband video our progress - I find (with my horses) that it's a great way to see your own progress.

Our dog training club here is legit. Many members there are very active in many different disciplines (agility, fly-ball, herding, etc), and I use to see them at many of the AKC breed events.

When I had my two previous Paps (back in the early 90s), I didn't participate with them for two reasons - I used a handler, and when I attended their obedience and agility classes, they hadn't yet come around to positive training methods and were still doing a lot of jerk-and-pull methods that I didn't love. I attended two events last summer, and see that they have made a 180' change and are now using all positive rewards.

I was with another dog training club last time (for obedience and agility), but they no longer offer conformation classes........but I really loved being a part of their club. I told the owner to contact me ASAP if they put this back in to their roster.

I sure hope my new DTC is serious about what they are doing....and beyond that - I hope they are willing to accept me and help me. I know how awful the breed ring CAN be. When I look at their current list of dogs in training, I see that all the Paps they have are in agility and obedience....it doesn't *look* like they have any doing conformation at this time...could be good as I won't be a "threat" to anyone.

I could pay a handler (and may have to, in order to get points at a major), but I don't want to send him away from home. Bravo's primary role is to be my companion and keep me active...and I just don't want to let him go.

11-25-2012, 06:54 PM	#21 (permalink)
Avec Bravissimo Member Name: Kelly Dog's Name: Magnolise Avec Bravissimo Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Central Florida Posts: 103	Thanks, once more! :-) I sure hope I can handle him myself...I'm a little overwhelmed. But last time I put a Ch on my dog (Pap and Corgi) they didn't have this amateur owner/handler class (as far as I remember), so it will let me get my feet wet before I have to look a major straight in the eye... Both his mother & father have US and European titles, so he's probably got the goods....it's me that is in question. sigh __________________ I actually have a Papillon puppy...but I joined this message board to get great grooming, nutritional, general toy-breed tips......and all the great people!!

11-25-2012, 09:06 PM	#22 (permalink)
Sylie Maltese Guru Name: Sylvia Dog's Name: MiMi, Ray and RuRu Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Healdsburg, CA Posts: 6,356	all you need to do is become invisible...lol...as if that were an easy task. Good luck, it is certainly going to be a hard, but rewarding experience. __________________ MiMi & Sylvie

11-25-2012, 09:14 PM	#23 (permalink)
bellaratamaltese Maltese Guru Name: Stacy Dog's Name: Lucy, Lois, Andrew, Elena and Emma Join Date: May 2006 Location: Central Valley, California Posts: 12,117	Hi and welcome!! Your pap is adorable! His parents looks gorgeous too. I have a lot of friends with papillions and they are great little dogs. very very showy! Are you planning on coming to eukanuba this year? __________________

11-25-2012, 10:24 PM	#24 (permalink)
Avec Bravissimo Member Name: Kelly Dog's Name: Magnolise Avec Bravissimo Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Central Florida Posts: 103	Well...what I'm doing (so far) is joining our local dog training club, starting handling classes in January, and aiming for a puppy match in late January. After that, everything is an open book. Bravo's breeder is not competing at this time, but is a great cheerleader. I don't know how else to start..all the Pap people I knew in the 80s have retired or moved away. The dog training club (been around for more than 20 years) seemed like a good place to start. I'm a bit lost right now...but hopeful that the people at the etc will be helpful.... __________________ I actually have a Papillon puppy...but I joined this message board to get great grooming, nutritional, general toy-breed tips......and all the great people!!

11-25-2012, 11:07 PM	#25 (permalink)
bellaratamaltese Maltese Guru Name: Stacy Dog's Name: Lucy, Lois, Andrew, Elena and Emma Join Date: May 2006 Location: Central Valley, California Posts: 12,117	Are you on Facebook? I can 'introduce' you to the pap show breeders i know - FB is a great way to network and learn from the more experienced!!! I would think the training classes would be helpful - just hopefully it is not one of those ones that 'pretend' dog show but don't give you any concrete or useful handling advice. Free stacking is one of the most important things you can teach your baby because they are not generally hand stacked ( i don't think) what i like doing is watching the Westminster breed videos and see what they do! __________________

11-25-2012, 11:20 PM	#26 (permalink)
Katkoota Super Moderator Name: Katkoota Dog's Name: Snowy & Crystal Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oasis in the desert Posts: 14,861	Welcome to SM! Oh my!! Your Pap is sooooo cute (I love this breed too), so please feel free to post as many thread as you wish ; and enjoy the forum Sent from Kat's iPad __________________ xoxo Kat & the Malts Click here for maltese Videos

11-25-2012, 11:46 PM	#27 (permalink)
silverhaven Maltese Guru Name: Maureen Dog's Name: Cherry Lola, (Bonnies Angels) Penny Lane, (Spunsilk) Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 4,173	Oooh welcome! what a little cutie. His parents are gorgeous too. they hold themselves beautifully. Love the colours too. __________________

11-26-2012, 03:07 AM	#28 (permalink)
Lynzodolly Maltese Guru Name: Lyndsy Dog's Name: Albert Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Scotland Ayr Posts: 726	Hi Kelly I'm quite new to this forum too it's great it gives so much advice here and help and from some of the posts I have read they really are one big helpful family your little bravo is so cute x

11-26-2012, 07:03 AM	#30 (permalink)
Avec Bravissimo Member Name: Kelly Dog's Name: Magnolise Avec Bravissimo Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Central Florida Posts: 103	Thank you Kat, Silver, and Lyn! I have started to clicker train him for free-stacking...Bella, you are correct - he needs to be able to free-stack. So far it's going well because if he stops square, it's almost a perfect stack. I'm also working on holding eye contact and moving out on a lead. Maybe next weekend I'll have my husband video our progress - I find (with my horses) that it's a great way to see your own progress. Our dog training club here is legit. Many members there are very active in many different disciplines (agility, fly-ball, herding, etc), and I use to see them at many of the AKC breed events. When I had my two previous Paps (back in the early 90s), I didn't participate with them for two reasons - I used a handler, and when I attended their obedience and agility classes, they hadn't yet come around to positive training methods and were still doing a lot of jerk-and-pull methods that I didn't love. I attended two events last summer, and see that they have made a 180' change and are now using all positive rewards. I was with another dog training club last time (for obedience and agility), but they no longer offer conformation classes........but I really loved being a part of their club. I told the owner to contact me ASAP if they put this back in to their roster. I sure hope my new DTC is serious about what they are doing....and beyond that - I hope they are willing to accept me and help me. I know how awful the breed ring CAN be. When I look at their current list of dogs in training, I see that all the Paps they have are in agility and obedience....it doesn't look like they have any doing conformation at this time...could be good as I won't be a "threat" to anyone. I could pay a handler (and may have to, in order to get points at a major), but I don't want to send him away from home. Bravo's primary role is to be my companion and keep me active...and I just don't want to let him go. __________________ I actually have a Papillon puppy...but I joined this message board to get great grooming, nutritional, general toy-breed tips......and all the great people!!

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