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**edelweiss** · 11-23-2012, 12:31 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaphalaxis

Adjuncts
Antihistamines (both H1 and H2), while commonly used and assumed effective based on theoretical reasoning, are poorly supported by evidence.

Apparently there is a difference of opinion among professionals on whether antihistamines actually help prevent true anaphylactic reactions.
Since I am not a vet I chose to follow my vet's advice---maybe she is wrong? I don't know. I am not looking to lay blame. I just want Lisi to be ok.
You can imagine now that I am fearful of giving her ANY vaccines. I need to find out why she reacts to two completely different kinds of injections?

**aksm4** · 11-23-2012, 12:35 PM

Oh Sweet Sandi ,

still praying for your little Lisi !!!!! oxoxoxoxoxxo

**silverhaven** · 11-23-2012, 12:39 PM

I would definitely stick to titerering if you can for Lisl. I hope it is available in Greece. The law and rabies is another matter

Get will little Lisl

**SammieMom** · 11-23-2012, 12:39 PM

I understand your feelings Sandi. So much conflicting info out there. My Vet does pre-med with Rabies if needed. He is all I have to go by. Ya know I would find out if it was thermisol free. Reason I say this is bec a pharmacist told me when I got my shingles vac that it was a thermisol free shot. I was surprised to hear him say that, and told him I have heard of it only with my pets shots. He said it can cause severe reactions in dogs too. Just sharing.

**edelweiss** · 11-23-2012, 12:47 PM

Life in the US is so different than here:
1. There is no possibility of titers here in Greece---I have checked.
2. There is no TF vaccine available here in Greece---Lisi's shot was due this Sun. & if I am one day late & then vaccinate---she can not travel for 30 days. It had to be done. I had put if off long enough while I searched for a TF vaccine.
3. There is only a l yr. rabies available due to the law which requires a yearly vaccination.

It is clear that I need to find out WHY Lisi reacts to vaccines of different types (Rabies & Lepto so far). I am fearful of all vaccines now because of our experience.

**SammieMom** · 11-23-2012, 12:51 PM

Bless your heart Sandi. I am sorry your in this situation. If anyone can find the answer you will. I am continuing to pray for you all.

**Barb and the boys** · 11-23-2012, 12:51 PM

Thanks for the update on Lisi, sending lots of prayers for your sweet baby.

**edelweiss** · 11-23-2012, 12:55 PM

Thank you all so much for your prayers.

I am going to call an early quit for tonight as it has been a stressful few hours. Tomorrow is another day! Big hugs to all.

**maltese#1fan** · 11-23-2012, 12:56 PM

Sandi, I just saw your post and am praying that Liesl is doing better. I know how scary it is when your baby has any kind of reaction to a vaccine. Heidi had a similar reaction to a distempter vaccine. She got so sick on the car ride home from the vet that we turned around and went right back. Never allowed her to have a distemper shot after that. Will they allow you to get a waiver so you never have to go through this again?

**silverhaven** · 11-23-2012, 12:56 PM

Sounds like you are stuck between a rock and a hard place

I think you will have to find out more about exemptions. Finding out what the allergy is won't be easy. I don't know if they can do skin testing for the compounds used. Seems daunting.

11-23-2012, 12:31 PM	#41 (permalink)
edelweiss Maltese Guru Name: sandi Dog's Name: Kitzel & Liesl Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,959	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaphalaxis Adjuncts Antihistamines (both H1 and H2), while commonly used and assumed effective based on theoretical reasoning, are poorly supported by evidence. Apparently there is a difference of opinion among professionals on whether antihistamines actually help prevent true anaphylactic reactions. Since I am not a vet I chose to follow my vet's advice---maybe she is wrong? I don't know. I am not looking to lay blame. I just want Lisi to be ok. You can imagine now that I am fearful of giving her ANY vaccines. I need to find out why she reacts to two completely different kinds of injections? __________________ Qui me amat, amet et canem meum. (Who loves me will love my dog also.), - St. Bernard "Life without a maltese is like summer without ice-cream." - St. Edelweiss

11-23-2012, 12:39 PM	#43 (permalink)
silverhaven Maltese Guru Name: Maureen Dog's Name: Cherry Lola, (Bonnies Angels) Penny Lane, (Spunsilk) Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 4,184	I would definitely stick to titerering if you can for Lisl. I hope it is available in Greece. The law and rabies is another matter Get will little Lisl __________________

11-23-2012, 12:39 PM	#44 (permalink)
SammieMom Maltese Guru Name: Kandis Dog's Name: Sammie & Penny Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,865	I understand your feelings Sandi. So much conflicting info out there. My Vet does pre-med with Rabies if needed. He is all I have to go by. Ya know I would find out if it was thermisol free. Reason I say this is bec a pharmacist told me when I got my shingles vac that it was a thermisol free shot. I was surprised to hear him say that, and told him I have heard of it only with my pets shots. He said it can cause severe reactions in dogs too. Just sharing. __________________ Last edited by SammieMom; 11-23-2012 at 12:43 PM.

11-23-2012, 12:47 PM	#45 (permalink)
edelweiss Maltese Guru Name: sandi Dog's Name: Kitzel & Liesl Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,959	Life in the US is so different than here: 1. There is no possibility of titers here in Greece---I have checked. 2. There is no TF vaccine available here in Greece---Lisi's shot was due this Sun. & if I am one day late & then vaccinate---she can not travel for 30 days. It had to be done. I had put if off long enough while I searched for a TF vaccine. 3. There is only a l yr. rabies available due to the law which requires a yearly vaccination. It is clear that I need to find out WHY Lisi reacts to vaccines of different types (Rabies & Lepto so far). I am fearful of all vaccines now because of our experience. __________________ Qui me amat, amet et canem meum. (Who loves me will love my dog also.), - St. Bernard "Life without a maltese is like summer without ice-cream." - St. Edelweiss

11-23-2012, 12:51 PM	#46 (permalink)
SammieMom Maltese Guru Name: Kandis Dog's Name: Sammie & Penny Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,865	Bless your heart Sandi. I am sorry your in this situation. If anyone can find the answer you will. I am continuing to pray for you all. __________________

11-23-2012, 12:35 PM	#42 (permalink)
aksm4 Maltese Guru Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,167	Oh Sweet Sandi , still praying for your little Lisi !!!!! oxoxoxoxoxxo

11-23-2012, 12:51 PM	#47 (permalink)
Barb and the boys Maltese Guru Name: Barb Dog's Name: Twinkie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 248	Thanks for the update on Lisi, sending lots of prayers for your sweet baby.

11-23-2012, 12:55 PM	#48 (permalink)
edelweiss Maltese Guru Name: sandi Dog's Name: Kitzel & Liesl Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,959	Thank you all so much for your prayers. I am going to call an early quit for tonight as it has been a stressful few hours. Tomorrow is another day! Big hugs to all. __________________ Qui me amat, amet et canem meum. (Who loves me will love my dog also.), - St. Bernard "Life without a maltese is like summer without ice-cream." - St. Edelweiss

11-23-2012, 12:56 PM	#49 (permalink)
maltese#1fan Maltese Guru Name: Karen Dog's Name: Bella (and Heidi at the Bridge) Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Mount Joy, PA Posts: 829	Sandi, I just saw your post and am praying that Liesl is doing better. I know how scary it is when your baby has any kind of reaction to a vaccine. Heidi had a similar reaction to a distempter vaccine. She got so sick on the car ride home from the vet that we turned around and went right back. Never allowed her to have a distemper shot after that. Will they allow you to get a waiver so you never have to go through this again? __________________ "In a perfect world every dog would have a home and every home would have a dog"

11-23-2012, 12:56 PM	#50 (permalink)
silverhaven Maltese Guru Name: Maureen Dog's Name: Cherry Lola, (Bonnies Angels) Penny Lane, (Spunsilk) Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 4,184	Sounds like you are stuck between a rock and a hard place I think you will have to find out more about exemptions. Finding out what the allergy is won't be easy. I don't know if they can do skin testing for the compounds used. Seems daunting. __________________

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