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**dntdelay** · 11-23-2012, 07:26 PM

Sandi how is Lisl doing? Any better? Let her know that she is in our thoughts!

**Johita** · 11-23-2012, 07:40 PM

Oh Sandy. I am praying for you and for Lisi.

**Snowbody** · 11-23-2012, 08:46 PM

Sandi - I was so worried reading this. We lost our internet in Vermont and had to get a new modem so we couldn't get on line until tonight. I'm so sorry that Lisel is having this reaction. I hope that you can get her to a doctor asap. It does sound like an allergic reaction and possibly anaphylactic. The worries in that type of reaction is drop of BP, swelling on the inside causing breathing difficulties and can be very serious. They really need to treat with the right meds. I'm hoping that it will stay with external swelling and hives but since our dear dogs can't talk it's hard to tell what's going on. I'm praying that she will be okay. After a reaction like that they are wiped out for days. You will be on my mind until we hear back from you. I'm hoping you can get some sort of waiver after this reaction. I can't imagine that they could be so heartless as to risk the life of a dog for that shot.

As most of you know my son nearly died when he had several food allergic reactions when he was 2 and his throat swelled shut. He had several others in later years as well. For kids or adults ,you need to administer Epi, benedryl, and steroids if it's serious. David was seen by the top food allergist in the world, and I produced over a dozen videos on food allergy and life threatening reactions with the top docs in the world and the leading food allergy organization. The doctors's did not believe in pre-medicating for kids if they were going to be in a situation where there might be allergens around. In the case of vaccines, they watch for signs of allergy and usually keep kids who may have a history of allergy in the waiting room for an hour or so. Their feeling was if you pre-medicate it masks the reactions that need to be treated as soon as possible with the right meds. If you're going to have an anaphylactic reaction, using benedryl is like putting a bandaid on a gaping wound. It will mask some of the reaction but then often it comes back way worse because it's been given the time to develop. One of the most dangerous reactions is called a bi-phasic reaction where kids are treated for anaphylaxis, even with the right meds and several hours later they get a far worse secondary reaction which can be fatal too. That's why you aren't supposed to leave a hospital for at least 4-6 hours after Epi treatment because of this secondary issue. This all comes from my 20 years of working with top allergists and I wouldn't think it's much different with pets and severe allergies.

Sending you, Lisel and Dwight hugs and kisses. I know that poor Kitzel must be worried as well.

**educ8m** · 11-23-2012, 09:14 PM

Oh Sandi, I am so sorry that Liesl had such a bad reaction. Gracie had a bad reaction to the rabies shot and it changed her personality. Over 18 months later she is finally getting back to her old self. She'll never get another rabies vaccine. I hope you are able to get Liesl exempted for now on. Praying that she gets to feeling better soon.

**MalteseJane** · 11-23-2012, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by educ8m

Oh Sandi, I am so sorry that Liesl had such a bad reaction. Gracie had a bad reaction to the rabies shot and it changed her personality. Over 18 months later she is finally getting back to her old self. She'll never get another rabies vaccine. I hope you are able to get Liesl exempted for now on. Praying that she gets to feeling better soon.

Isn't Gracie a sister of Charlie ? Thank goodness he has not had a bad reaction to the rabies vaccine. But I asked the vet not to give the full dose and he was okay with it.

Geez Sandi I hope Liesl is doing okay by now.

**Snowball Pie's Mommi** · 11-23-2012, 11:02 PM

I don't think I can sleep tonight until we hear that Lisi is okay. I know it is six o'clock in the morning in Athens.

My prayers continue for darling Lisi. And, my love and heart is with you, Sandi.

**SammieMom** · 11-23-2012, 11:33 PM

Me too Marie! I am going to go to bed and pray all is better tomorrow am.
hugs!

**socalyte** · 11-24-2012, 01:56 AM

Sandi, I'm adding my prayers to everyone's regarding little Liesl. What a scary thing to happen! It doesn't sound like she is a candidate for immunizations, period! Please keep us posted on how she is doing-- until then, trust me, I'm praying hard!

**Piccolina** · 11-24-2012, 02:36 AM

Sending Angels to look after Lisi

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**Snowball Pie's Mommi** · 11-24-2012, 03:06 AM

Checking in to see how Lisi is doing. It's three o'clock in the morning in Virginia. And, ten o'clock in the morning in Athens.

Prayers continue for Lisi, her Mommy and Daddy, and her brother, Kitzel. Sending love and hugs your way.

11-23-2012, 07:26 PM	#71 (permalink)
dntdelay Maltese Guru Name: Audrey DeLay Dog's Name: Jasmine (Female) Join Date: May 2011 Location: Granite City, IL (30 min. away from St. Louis, MO) Posts: 1,006	Sandi how is Lisl doing? Any better? Let her know that she is in our thoughts! __________________ Jasmine is saying "Hi" to Audrey

11-23-2012, 07:40 PM	#72 (permalink)
Johita Maltese Guru Dog's Name: Aolani Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Joysey Posts: 3,694	Oh Sandy. I am praying for you and for Lisi. __________________ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Click here to see some of Aolani's videos

11-23-2012, 08:46 PM	#73 (permalink)
Snowbody Maltese Guru Name: Susan Dog's Name: Tyler Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 18,354	Sandi - I was so worried reading this. We lost our internet in Vermont and had to get a new modem so we couldn't get on line until tonight. I'm so sorry that Lisel is having this reaction. I hope that you can get her to a doctor asap. It does sound like an allergic reaction and possibly anaphylactic. The worries in that type of reaction is drop of BP, swelling on the inside causing breathing difficulties and can be very serious. They really need to treat with the right meds. I'm hoping that it will stay with external swelling and hives but since our dear dogs can't talk it's hard to tell what's going on. I'm praying that she will be okay. After a reaction like that they are wiped out for days. You will be on my mind until we hear back from you. I'm hoping you can get some sort of waiver after this reaction. I can't imagine that they could be so heartless as to risk the life of a dog for that shot. As most of you know my son nearly died when he had several food allergic reactions when he was 2 and his throat swelled shut. He had several others in later years as well. For kids or adults ,you need to administer Epi, benedryl, and steroids if it's serious. David was seen by the top food allergist in the world, and I produced over a dozen videos on food allergy and life threatening reactions with the top docs in the world and the leading food allergy organization. The doctors's did not believe in pre-medicating for kids if they were going to be in a situation where there might be allergens around. In the case of vaccines, they watch for signs of allergy and usually keep kids who may have a history of allergy in the waiting room for an hour or so. Their feeling was if you pre-medicate it masks the reactions that need to be treated as soon as possible with the right meds. If you're going to have an anaphylactic reaction, using benedryl is like putting a bandaid on a gaping wound. It will mask some of the reaction but then often it comes back way worse because it's been given the time to develop. One of the most dangerous reactions is called a bi-phasic reaction where kids are treated for anaphylaxis, even with the right meds and several hours later they get a far worse secondary reaction which can be fatal too. That's why you aren't supposed to leave a hospital for at least 4-6 hours after Epi treatment because of this secondary issue. This all comes from my 20 years of working with top allergists and I wouldn't think it's much different with pets and severe allergies. Sending you, Lisel and Dwight hugs and kisses. I know that poor Kitzel must be worried as well. __________________

11-23-2012, 09:14 PM	#74 (permalink)
educ8m Maltese Guru Name: Deb Dog's Name: Gracie (Brookside Maltese), Ella (MaltAngel Maltese), and Cisco Join Date: May 2010 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,126	Oh Sandi, I am so sorry that Liesl had such a bad reaction. Gracie had a bad reaction to the rabies shot and it changed her personality. Over 18 months later she is finally getting back to her old self. She'll never get another rabies vaccine. I hope you are able to get Liesl exempted for now on. Praying that she gets to feeling better soon. __________________

11-23-2012, 11:02 PM	#76 (permalink)
Snowball Pie's Mommi Maltese Guru Name: Marie Dog's Name: Snowball Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,156	I don't think I can sleep tonight until we hear that Lisi is okay. I know it is six o'clock in the morning in Athens. My prayers continue for darling Lisi. And, my love and heart is with you, Sandi. __________________

11-23-2012, 11:33 PM	#77 (permalink)
SammieMom Maltese Guru Name: Kandis Dog's Name: Sammie & Penny Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,880	Me too Marie! I am going to go to bed and pray all is better tomorrow am. hugs! __________________

11-24-2012, 01:56 AM	#78 (permalink)
socalyte Maltese Guru Name: Jackie Dog's Name: Pippa, Cozette & Tiffany Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,486	Sandi, I'm adding my prayers to everyone's regarding little Liesl. What a scary thing to happen! It doesn't sound like she is a candidate for immunizations, period! Please keep us posted on how she is doing-- until then, trust me, I'm praying hard! __________________ Last edited by socalyte; 11-24-2012 at 02:00 AM.

11-24-2012, 02:36 AM	#79 (permalink)
Piccolina Maltese Guru Name: I'm Sammy: Piccolina, Bambolina and recently Girlie Dolcina are all playing in Heaven Dog's Name: Poupetta (Poupe') born MAR 2005, Pallina Valentina born JAN 2012, & "Little Girle" born JUL 2009 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Somewhere In Sunny California Posts: 751	Sending Angels to look after Lisi * __________________ Malteses are angels on earth

11-24-2012, 03:06 AM	#80 (permalink)
Snowball Pie's Mommi Maltese Guru Name: Marie Dog's Name: Snowball Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,156	Checking in to see how Lisi is doing. It's three o'clock in the morning in Virginia. And, ten o'clock in the morning in Athens. Prayers continue for Lisi, her Mommy and Daddy, and her brother, Kitzel. Sending love and hugs your way. __________________

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