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Old 01-23-2013, 03:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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OK -- I've calmed down from yesterday's shock about Oliver and have done a lot of research on the web about Atopy Dermatitis. And I'm less stressed.

Because Oliver has recently had a severe outbreak, his meds are more extensive than they would be if he was into a routine to help provent this type of allergy flare-up.

In researching, it is primarily stated that Atopy Dermatitis begins between 1-3 years of age and that it is usually caused by a virus or VACCINATIONS. Yep -- here we go again with things that are caused by vaccinations. You know that I'm not in favor of overvaccination which I think we do as a nation.

Right now Oliver is on Prednisone which we are tapering him off of. At this point, we do not think that he will have to continue to take this med after another 10 days. So I crossed that off the list as a normal expense.

He is also on Simplicef for 20 days to get his neutrophils (rash on skin) cleared up. Again, I'm hoping that we do not have to use again. So I crossed that off the list too as a normal expense.

They have me using Douxo Chlorhexidine Shampoo and Spray. I found both of these on-line for about 1/3 of what I was charged by the Specialist. They also provided TrizUltra_Keto for twice weekly ear flushes as he's proned to ear infections (not currently) from the allergies. Again the price was less on-line.

The one thing that he should take daily is Atopica 10mg which runs about $50+ per month. He has been on this before, but, it has a lot of side effects for gastroinstical problems. One of our members pm'd me about this drug and said that her fluff could not tolerate it. It does cause upset tummies most of the time.

In looking for more long-term holistic answers to Oliver's allergies, I have found the following suggestions:

1. Soaking in Epsom Salt Baths
2. Washing his skin with Baking Soda and Water
3. Apple Cider Vingegar/Water Spray
4. Lime Sulfur Dips
5. Using sprays with Pramoxine
6. Linoleic Acid Shampoos and/or sprays
7. Oatmeal Shampoos
8. Adding Colostrum to help immune system
9. Additing Omega 3 or Omerga 6 Oil to Diet
10. Cortisone Soothing Shampoos and Conditioners
11. Calendula Ointment

I want to try to get him on natural and holistic products as I somehow believe, in my heart, that all the combination of harse meds (even in the shampoo and spray) are having an adverse effect (along with all the stress he's had in the last month).

What I don't know is whether or not Oliver will be able to tolerate the Atopica Drug and, if not, what can be substituted instead.

For those that have had fluffs with severe allergies, please let me know if you have tried any of these items and how they worked. Also if you have a suggestion for something other than the Atopica.

I'm also looking for something other than the Science Diet Z/D Prescription Food. Maybe Dr. Harvey's but not certain what protein to use.

Right now my plan is to use the products that the Vet prescribed until his skin has completely cleared up (I hope that it will) and to then begin switching to the more natural/holistic products. I'm thinking it will take about 20-30 days for this to happen. I'm hoping that within the next couple of months, I will have his skin clear and have him on an easier and less expensive routine to keep his allergies in check.
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Atopica is the brand name for oral cyclosporine which can be found as a generic or be compounded as a generic for cheaper than the brand name stuff. Most dogs tolerate it just fine if it is given with a meal. It should be reduced to the lowest effective dose (which is typically about 3 times per week).

Oatmeal-based products are no longer regularly recommended for dogs with allergies as it can be an allergen.

Lyme sulfur dips are nasty and usually only used for dogs with ringworm.

Simple things like keeping the dog's hair cut short and wiping them off after going outside often make a huge difference.

Is the dog's coat dry? Oily?
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Jackie -- thanks for the info. His skin and coat are very dry. He does not have Seborrhea.

Also, the Specialist's intructions for the Atopica is to gove ot pm am EMPTY stomach, 2 hours before or after meal. She was very specific about that.

OK - Oatmeal shampoos -- NO; Lyme Sulfur Dips - NO.
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Lynn,

Is there a holistic vet near you?

I'd suggest consulting with one if you can.

Gus had horrible allergies - was always told they were food but turns out they are environmental for the most part. He used to get sores on his skin, horrible rashes, tummy issues, ear infections, yellow goop eyes...

I bathe him every other day. So if Oliver were with me I'd keep him in a very short cut so that bathing was quick, which makes it easier to do more often.

I also keep baby wipes (as natural as possible) around to wipe off a few times during the day.

But a holistic vet I suggest because there are many herbs and natural supports that can really help boost the immune system and soothe the skin.

Allergies are an immune reaction - so it makes total sense that this condition would be brought on by a virus or vaccines. If the immune system isn't being supported, the allergies are not going to resolve. Pharmaceuticals keep inflammation down by turning things off, but it does not support the immune system, and so if you stop the meds the symptoms return... it's a bandaid.

Our holistic vet has Gus on an immune booster.

She also has him on herbal allergy supports. He started on the Standard Process Canine Dermal Support. It's powder I sprinkle on his food. I noticed big changes starting that.

She also had him on Traumeel - which is a natural anti-inflammatory. He was on that until just a few months ago. His symptoms are so low that he is off it during low allergy season.

But the herbal supports really help, and they are not that bad expense wise.... each bottle lasts us 2-3 months.

For us - baths... I use an unscented soap free shampoo (It's one I use myself) and I add essential oils... tea tree oil and peppermint is a good combo for Gus. They seem to help soothe his skin nicely. Was sort of trial and error to figure out for him. Tried neem and other oils...

After his bath I usually massage a little emu oil into his skin. Emu oil is used for psoriasis patients and burn victims. It has wonderful and powerful healing properties. But it's another reason to keep his coat short....

But since he has a specific condition I think consulting with a holistic vet for natural allergy supports would be the safest and least expensive option in the long run.

Glad you have calmed down

Oliver is so blessed!
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Oh, and he was put on a good probiotic to help his gut.

80% of immune system is in the gut.
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Great news, Lynn. I know how things can be such a shock to our system that our first reaction is "How can this be done?" but then a little time and breathing helps a lot. I think that natural and herbal options would be a great alternative. Having a human family with various allergies some of the meds are worse than the condition. It takes a little trial and error but pays off.
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Tori -- thanks for the info. I'm searching for a Holistic Vet in the area. If not, I will have to come to Phoenix and will get the name of your Holistic Vet from you. She's on the east side if I remember correctly.
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PM'd you her info, Lynn. Just in case.
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Lynn--Sammie was normal till 9 mo. Shortly after it all started with licking feet/scratching ears/licking feet and he diagnosed by 2 Vets with what Oliver has atopy derm. I will be forever convinced he has a compromised immune system coming from a BYB (he is the only survivor of his liter) AND maybe this set him up for this after his needed and requied vacinations. His immune system couldn't handle them is my guess watching it develop.
I do the feet washing and no oatmeal products, no grains and warm rinses when he is itching more. He has very dry skin too, so I'm following this thread closely for any new tips. His is much worse during allergy season.
Oh. I found the derma-itchy skin shampoos really set him off. I use tropi clean puppy shampoo only.
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could not tolerate it. It does cause upset tummies most of the time.


For those that have had fluffs with severe allergies, please let me know if you have tried any of these items and how they worked. Also if you have a suggestion for something other than the Atopica.

I'm also looking for something other than the Science Diet Z/D Prescription Food. Maybe Dr. Harvey's but not certain what protein to use.
Lynn,
I called my friend who found a Westie sitting on their front porch one morning - ended up no home or lost, so they kept him - older dog.
He turned out to be allergic to everything, food, airborne stuff.

She personally found Natural Balance Duck & Potato kibble worked better than the vet prescribed kibble to keep down scratching/biting. She'd mix it with about a tablespoon of the canned NB any of those combos, he really did well on that.

Also he was helped by Atopica for awhile then it stopped working for him; they gave him injections about monthly - really helped him. She will look up what it was if you want.

Also keeping his hair cut as short as possible helped reduce his scratching or biting. Vet told her that works because the longer hair would attract allergens outside that clung to his hair, causing reaction or licking his paws.

I once read that Oatmeal shampoo can set up fungus on them - just thought I'd mention that.
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