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Old 02-10-2013, 09:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Just wondering....

I'm considering a frozen raw diet, Archie's ears just don't get better...and Abbey licks her feet. I hear raw food is supposed to be good for allergies. So I think with a high quality food and if I follow the directions, maybe Archie's ear problems will clear up.... Right??

So before I consider it, thought I'd check with you guys.
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Old 02-10-2013, 09:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Raw works for many people, but, here are some things to consider:
1. Long-haired dogs may require clean up after each meal. Just like you wash your food containers after prepping raw food, your dog can carry bacteria from raw meat on them.
2. If you have anybody or dog with a compromised immune system in your house, use caution.
3. Allergies are more related to the protein and carb sources. You can achieve the same novel protein/carb diet with no preservatives by cooking for your dog.
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I used to feed Primal frozen raw and sometimes will go back and feed here and there. I did notice a slight difference but never fed it long enough to see big differences in anything. I know my Chloe is allergic to all poultry but i was told when feeding raw that those with an allergy to certain proteins would usually do very well when feeding that protein in a raw form, like i said i didn't feed long enough to see a big difference and Chloe still chewed her feet, teared and itched. Here's an article from Dr. Karen Becker explaining why a dog may be allergic to a certain protein in kibble and not allergic to that same protein in raw or fresh protein. Why Dry Pet Food is Poor in Nutrition

The reason that i don't feed regularly is that it's so darn expensive with 5 pups and i would like to feed it to everyone so just do it occasionally. I've tried all kinds of food because of Chloe's allergies and now i'm feeding Canine Caviar and so far so good, the itching has decreased and feet chewing has decreased immensely, right now they are eating the Lamb and Pearl Millet and the kibble is really tiny, next will be the Holistic Wilderness Grain Free. What i like about Canine Caviar is that the ingredients are more limited, i love the idea of Fromm and the company but it has way too many ingredients in it, so if they ever come out with a limited ingredient diet we'll be switching back to Fromm. I do give the kids the AllerEase for their environmental allergies.
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Raw works for many people, but, here are some things to consider:
1. Long-haired dogs may require clean up after each meal. Just like you wash your food containers after prepping raw food, your dog can carry bacteria from raw meat on them.
2. If you have anybody or dog with a compromised immune system in your house, use caution.
3. Allergies are more related to the protein and carb sources. You can achieve the same novel protein/carb diet with no preservatives by cooking for your dog.
Just poping in to say i take notes from all your posts.
you are so very informative thank you nickee*
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My Daisy has been having some issues with oil producing glands in her eyes. It is a long story, but needless to say we switched from a canned diet to frozen raw (she was already eating dehydrated raw when traveling). It could be a coincidence, but we finally saw improvement after making the switch to raw. We have now been weaning her off the nasty Prednisone and her eyes are still looking good. She has a couple more weeks before we stop it completely and I am hoping her eyes continue this way. She can only have rabbit for the time being. We have been feeding Primal and have not had any problems. She made the switch perfectly. We do give her probiotics and a digestive enzyme. As JMM said we do clean her up after she eats since her beard can get a bit messy. It is expensive, but for us the results have been worth it.
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I tried the frozen raw several times for Lola, in different ways, but not only did she really not like it (and she is a total piggy) but it also made her throw up. I also am not fond of the idea of raw being in their teeth and on their beards, they are very kissy dogs and they do go on the furniture etc. so I am not comfortable with contamination.

Both my girls show strong allergies with kibble. It makes Lola really cranky and scratchy and Penny bites her feet and scratches, and her tummy plays up. Soooo as much as I don't want to. I home cook for them. No allergies or issues at all this way for us. I know you give Dr Harvey's Pat. Mine do ok on that too. maybe just keep Archie on that for now with no kibble.
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I tried it before Grace got sick and we had to go vegetarian... neither of my two would go near it. They looked at it like it was going to jump at them or something.

So... I guess one thing would be to consider their tastes.... some dogs don't like it.

Gus's allergies have improved greatly since going home cook.
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I feed Dominic raw food from Small Batch, a company from the San Francisco Bay Area smallbatch pets.
Before the raw food I tried ALL kind of good quality food recommended until he stop eating for almost 3 days and I had to give him scrambled eggs. That's when I asked a friend that I trust very much and he mention the raw food. I went to the store right away and got a batch of beefbatch sliders. I was really uncomfortable with the raw specially because I don't eat meat has been 25+ years so I pan seared with coconut oil for a couple seconds "to bring the flavors out and warm it up a little bit" as my friend suggest. Since then, Dominic is on the raw diet and he has never itch or have any potty issue so far nor either has throw up. It's been 3 months and he loves it - but I have to slightly warm it up otherwise he won't eat it. I also like the coconut oil, his hair is so smooth!
Sometimes I still add some Acana or Orijin that I have left to try to sneak it in but he separates the kibble one by one on his food mat and just doesn't eat it.
I do wipe off his face after he eats but that's my "I don't eat meat" problem because it's not watery enough to leave his facial hair wet.
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Pat, I feed Bailey Primal frozen raw as part of his rotation (I switch it up between dehydrated raw, frozen raw and sometimes canned food just to give him a variety). He does well on it but I can't say I see a huge difference in him when he eats that versus the other foods. He does have some mild allergies (some paw chewing) but I think it's mainly environmental as it occurs mostly in the Spring/Summer...so the raw doesn't have much effect on that.

If I remember correctly, you feed your little guys Dr. Harvey's Veg to Bowl, right? And you leave kibble out for them? One thing you could try is some novel protein for Archie and Abby instead of the regular chicken or beef? Don't know what protein you normally use but if you can get your hands on something unusual, maybe you could try that?? Or you could do a limited ingredient canned food...I know Addiction has some good ones using novel proteins. And I would try to make sure they can't get to the kibble the other pups eat. Or just do a very limited ingredient kibble for everyone, one that's made with a novel protein. Just trying to think of some options for you.

Oh and if you wanted to try some dehydrated raw instead of frozen, I've heard The Honest Kitchen's Zeal (made with fish) has done wonders for dogs with allergies. Or Addiction has some dehydrated raw foods made with some really out there protein sources (kangaroo even!! ) that they call their "hypoallergenic formulas".
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I feed Dominic raw food from Small Batch, a company from the San Francisco Bay Area smallbatch pets.
Before the raw food I tried ALL kind of good quality food recommended until he stop eating for almost 3 days and I had to give him scrambled eggs. That's when I asked a friend that I trust very much and he mention the raw food. I went to the store right away and got a batch of beefbatch sliders. I was really uncomfortable with the raw specially because I don't eat meat has been 25+ years so I pan seared with coconut oil for a couple seconds "to bring the flavors out and warm it up a little bit" as my friend suggest. Since then, Dominic is on the raw diet and he has never itch or have any potty issue so far nor either has throw up. It's been 3 months and he loves it - but I have to slightly warm it up otherwise he won't eat it. I also like the coconut oil, his hair is so smooth!
Sometimes I still add some Acana or Orijin that I have left to try to sneak it in but he separates the kibble one by one on his food mat and just doesn't eat it.
I do wipe off his face after he eats but that's my "I don't eat meat" problem because it's not watery enough to leave his facial hair wet.
That's funny, because I was reading about Small Batch today and that's what prompted me to post that thread about protein content. This website says the protein content is 14% but how could that be for something raw, meat based? And isn't that too low? Boy I am confused.
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