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Old 02-19-2013, 12:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello Everyone and Team Biscuit

My wife wants me to start a new discussion thread and broadcast the video we've recorded this evening to get more feedback.

According to Dr. Sisson, he believes the behaviors you see in the video are those of tonic seizures. In which we do support his finding. What we found ourselves keeping to 2nd guess ourselves is that we don't think it is seizures that is occuring rather we think this is signs of new complication that is making it hard and painful when Biscuit tries to poop, or mostly when he tries to urinate.

The reason we found ourselves second guessing is that my wife has been closely monitoring these activities, when they start, how long it lasted, and she said they only happen when Biscuit seem to want to urinate in which he has the most difficult time doing since the new relapse of seizure that started last Sunday 2/10.

We are now tracking and documenting these activities more closely and with the hope of broadcasting the information to a wider audience that we can get more candid feedback from anyone who has experienced similiar symptoms or known of any information to help guide us. My wife said that once Biscuit can successfully urinate, the activities generally stops and he would then calm and settle down.

In the end, we are basically concerns that if these episode are not actual tonic seizures, then shooting our boy up with Valium everytime these episodes occurs are not good for him either and that we could be mistreating the real problem.

We will be bringing him to the Vet tomorrow to request further testing to see if there is any complication with the blader or urinary system.

Warning, the video contains audio feed where you will find Biscuit yelping out loud when the symptoms intensifies.

The episode starts up and last about 15-17sec, then it stop for about 10-15sec, and starts up again. Also I would have to warn everyone there are audio of Biscuit yelping in pain so please take caution if you might get upset watching it. We immediately gave 3ML diazepam after the video ended.



This is recording is about 30min later when Biscuit is lying in his bed trying to move his legs. We weren't really sure if the seizures, if it is seizure, are still occuring.
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Anyhow, we're simply sharing and looking for any feedback or comment to further help guide us. We are also planning to get the information to Biscuit Vet and consult with her to see what she thinks.

Biscuit send his loves and hugs to everyone who has been directly or indirectly following his rough roads and his will to continue the fight to beat this diseases.
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:19 AM   #2 (permalink)
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How long has he had seizures?


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Old 02-19-2013, 05:06 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Vinh & Ann, it does appear that he is having real effort to urinate. Kitzel did not pee for more than 24 hrs. after his neuter & when he did he screamed. That was my only experience w/something like this. It obviously pained him as he is ver stoic. It may be that he has some sort of crystals blocking his tubes, or it may be just from the seizures and not being able to coordinate to work the muscles to pee & poop. I would imagine he is most uncomfortable in these processes. I know a human would be in great pain. (forgive me for saying that, but I feel you want to know)
I do think you should trust your "gut" feelings and have it checked out. Dr. S is not always present & he isn't God, so he may not catch all he needs to in order to make a judgement. JMHO
It is so painful to watch, but I want to follow w/you in this journey. Bless you both.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:16 AM   #4 (permalink)
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This is heartbreaking for you, I know...I have read your previous threads about Biscuit including your vet's responses about his condition. I hate to see him continue to suffer..it is so hard to let them go..I know because I have been there, too. I agree with your vet that he is not going to make it...you all have put up a heroic effort to help him...you love him so much..the kindest thing that you can do for Biscuit is to put an end to his suffering..this is a disease that is usually fatal.. it is now very hard on him and you, as well...I'm sorry... This is probably not what you wanted to hear, and I don't blame you for that...I pray that a cure will be found for this horrible disease..
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I see how Ann strokes Biscuit so gently and speaks so softly to him. It's obvious how much you love him , and have given the very best of care. It's so heartbreaking to see him like this. I cannot imagine what you're going through. I pray for strength for you when it!s time to let Biscuit go. That's a difficult decision(I've had to do it several times) but I think that we instinctively know when it!s time. Sending prayers and hugs to you, Ann and Biscuit.
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Dear Vinhle and Ann, you both have fought so valiantly for little Biscuit, but I sadly agree with April. There is a time for fighting and there is a time for letting go. I think your dear Biscuit is suffering now.

Letting go at the end is the hardest thing a pet owner ever has to do. This poem helped me say goodbye to my beloved Lady:

    • The Last Battle
If it should be that I grow frail and weak
And pain should keep me from my sleep,
Then will you do what must be done,
For this -- the last battle -- can't be won.
You will be sad I understand,
But don't let grief then stay your hand,
For on this day, more than the rest,
Your love and friendship must stand the test.
We have had so many happy years,
You wouldn't want me to suffer so.
When the time comes, please, let me go.
Take me to where to my needs they'll tend,
Only, stay with me till the end
And hold me firm and speak to me
Until my eyes no longer see.
I know in time you will agree
It is a kindness you do to me.
Although my tail its last has waved,
From pain and suffering I have been saved.
Don't grieve that it must be you
Who has to decide this thing to do;
We've been so close -- we two -- these years,
Don't let your heart hold any tears.

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Oh My Dear, May god guide your Mind In This-Your Heart is Making you hold on. You are great parents. And i know this is killing you.
Maybe in all fairness this little one needs peace and rest. To let him go is so hard for you,but is it better for biscuit?

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Dear sweet sweet Biscuit you can cleary see how much you adore him and noone can ever take that away from you, he will love you forever more for the fight that you have put up for him and everything you have done.

I feel too that he looks like he is sad and suffering now and that you have done everything within your power but sadly this horrible disease has overtaken.

If i am ever in such a situation i would like to think somoeone would be honest with me even if it is not what i want to hear.

Love to you all you are the best parents Biscuit could ever have asked.
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I am going to have to agree with the other post. I think Biscuit knows that you and your wife have fought long and hard for Biscuits health. Watching the first video just broke my heart. I think Biscuit is suffering now and I think its time to consider letting Biscuit go to the rainbow bridge where he can run free and pee all he wants with out any pain. I am praying for you and your wife.
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Vinh & Ann,
I wanted to tell you about "Bo" our last little rescue pup. We don't know how old he was or what his history was, but we found out after having him for about a week that he was totally deaf (which was fine w/us---that can be advantageous in Greece!). He was such a happy little guy & LOVED everyone. He would walk up to all the people at the bus stop & ask for a head scratch---even if he knew they didn't like dogs. He never met a stranger. In fact I nick-named him Happy. We actually got him so my DH would have his own dog---and he was his dog until after picking him up in the US & traveling around w/him for a week he brought him home. It didn't take long for Bo/Happy to decide he was MY dog. Even though he could not hear he could communicate very, very well. He would drop his leash or harness or dish in front of you until you took him out or fed him. He would lie on our feet so that when we moved, he moved. He was our little shadow.
We soon found out that not only was he deaf but he had cushings disease, and also he developed a growth in his mouth which we had removed and the vet felt was harmless. It turned out to re-grow quickly & was a very aggressive (and fatal form) of cancer. The vet gave him at the most 7 months. Geez, we had not had him that long & had fallen madly in love w/this little guy.
I have had to make that awful choice many times in my life---and this was one of the hardest. We just were not ready---and so he continued along being Mr. Happy. We soon realized that he was putting up a valiant front for us---how did we know? He started to bleed from his mouth in the night when he slept and would cry, but only at night when he thought we were sleeping. I think he had extra keen senses because of his deafness---he knew how hard it would be on us.
Also my TX vet wrote to ask me "are you keeping him alive for him or for you?" He was also a good friend, so we took to heart his question.
At about the 5-6 month mark both DH & I concluded that we could not let him suffer like this. He had an awful smell from the mouth & we knew he was getting toward the end. We decided to take him for a hot chocolate (which we let cool) at Starbucks as he always went w/us & wanted one, but we did not give him chocolate. We took him on one long, last walk down his favorite streets and then for the chocolate. He LOVED it. He thought he had died & gone to heaven---and you know something, he did---that very day. We laid him to rest at the Cosmo Vision center here in Athens with all our other little babies and our grand-dog.
That was a few years ago and although I tear up writing this, I am not sorry for that decision. I would cry every time for a year when I saw a little white dog. After a year my husband finally said "ok sandi, it is time for us to look for another baby." . . . Then came Kitzel.
If you feel the time isn't right for Biscuit, then at least start thinking in that direction. . . sometimes it takes us a while to coordinate our hearts and our heads.
Please forgive me if it seems like I am trying to decide for you---truly I am not, I think we just want to free you up to do the best you can for him when you are ready.
As always sending you both much love, admiration, and many prayers for wisdom/decisions each day. Please let us know what the vet says today.

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