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Rosemary and seizures

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#1 ·
I wanted to bring something to attention that had been brought up by another not long ago and was somewhat overlooked.
I think it was dwerten who mentioned Rosemary poisoning.
I had been caring for my older daughter's maltese, who, in the past six months had gradually been having little "spells" eventually progressing to grande mal seizures. It was horrid and the vet could find no reason, thus wanting to put her on phenobarbitol for epilepsy. I was so astounded as the dog had been perfectly healthy and now was at death's door with no energy and seizing several times a day (at the worst). When I read that article I remembered my daughter had put her on Eukanuba due to being on the go and unable to make it to the store that sells Canidae. As I recalled it was SHORTLY after that the "spells" began and escalated. I decided to check out the ingredients and sure enough there was the Rosemary. We stopped the feedings of it and within a week or so the seizures were all but gone, with another two weeks finding her seizure free. Her energy level returned and she was fine. I checked with the vet and she had not heard of Rosemary causing this, although that didn't mean it wasn't so. (I commend her for being honest). I found other articles on the net regarding the same. My guess is Rosemary may not cause it in all dogs as not all have a sensitivity to it and small dogs may need less of it to induce such symptoms. Rosemary and its extract are used as preservatives in some dog foods and snacks.
Another friend of mine recently had a maltese that had a seizure. I asked if she had given her anything new to eat. She found the new snack she was giving contained Rosemary. I believe it was Newman's. Her bloodwork came back fine, just as my daughter's dog. She threw the snacks away and the dog has not had another seizure since.
I just wanted to put this out there for reference, in case anyone runs into a similar problem.
 
#8 ·
Thanks for posting your experience with rosemary, Brit. I have been very interested in this and haven't found a lot of information. The canine epilepsy site seems to indicate that the herb rosemary is promising in treating epilepsy, while the extract or oil from rosemary is the harmful ingredient. I noticed that Eukanuba contains rosemary extract.

http://www.canine-epilepsy.com/herbsforpet...#anchor31243852
 
#9 ·
QUOTE (tamizami @ Nov 15 2008, 09:24 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=671360
Thanks for posting your experience with rosemary, Brit. I have been very interested in this and haven't found a lot of information. The canine epilepsy site seems to indicate that the herb rosemary is promising in treating epilepsy, while the extract or oil from rosemary is the harmful ingredient. I noticed that Eukanuba contains rosemary extract.

http://www.canine-epilepsy.com/herbsforpet...#anchor31243852[/B]

Yes, it's the extract that's usually found in the dog foods. I should have made that more clear. However, I certainly wouldn't want to give my dog Rosemary in any form at this point. The extract was found in Eukanuba and Newman's treats.
 
#10 ·
That is important information to know. I use to give my dog newman's treats but she didn't like it and I threw them away.

Are you talking about Toy? .......or do you have more than one daughter? I just fell in love with that picture of Toy looking up and into the camera. What beautiful bright eyes and such an angelic face!!!!
 
#11 ·
yep it was me as i am very strict with my dogs diet after dexter almost died of pancreatitis and one night i was lazy and bought a rotisserie chicken that was rosemary so it was real potent and when i tasted it all i could taste was rosemary. Demi had no health issues at all ever for 4 1/2 years and i always added organic baked chicken with her food so being lazy i added a few pieces of the rosemary chicken that night and 12 hrs later almost exactly demi came to me and put her legs on my knees as if to pick her up and she opened her mouth and i saw bile in back of mouth as if to throw up and i set her down to vomit and she fell on her side and went stiff. I freaked and picked her up and she stood stiff and would not move - it was scary and read up and that is a petit mal as grand mal they convulse and petit they go stiff. I knew it was the rosemary as i had read not to give rosemary to dogs prone to seizures but demi was healthy so did not think anything of it so i knew that caused her to act that way. Her food is newman's own organic and it has rosemary and she has never had any reaction like this before so i think the rosemary was so potent it triggered it. So two weeks later i used the petzlife gel and that has rosemary in it and 12 hrs later she started vomitting so we stopped that too. Still on the food but i think the amount is so minute it has not caused issues but i wanted to wait for dental to switch foods so I may be switching her to natural balance. Still investigating but if you check rosemary is in alot of treats and dog food :( I believe it is a natural preservative is why. I was glad it occured before she went under anesthesia so i could warn them in doing propofol over ket/val. I am so glad my post helped in confirming this as that was my first post here as my friend who is on her and who referred me here wanted me to post here after it happened to demi but no one responded so i figured no one ever saw this occur in a maltese before. It was wild as demi has been totally healthy and blood work ok except her teeth issues :(
 
#12 ·
here is some info on it

http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels...ealthy_diet.htm

http://www.the-puppy-dog-place.com/timberwolf-dog-food.html

http://www.gentlecarepet.com/whatis_seizures_epilepsy

http://thebarfblog-emily.blogspot.com/2008...s-epilepsy.html

this one brings up another point i have read on is turkey meat is not good to give dogs prone to seizures as i believe the triptofan (spelling?) in it triggers something with them - see below

http://sheltie-hair.blogspot.com/2008/09/c...izure-faqs.html

I have even gone so far as to not use any shampoos or conditioners with lavender or rosemary in it as what is put on skin is absorbed into the body and blood therefore i will not take any chances with those two herbs

I have also read to avoid grains in dogs with epilepsy as that can trigger the seizures

I am on 55 dog groups and try to read alot after having 2 with health issues and now demi with the dental situation I have had to learn alot to be their best advocate :)
 
#78 ·
here is some info on it

http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels...ealthy_diet.htm

Timberwolf Dog Food

Natural Pet Health Info: Seizures & Epilepsy in Dog, Cat & Pets

http://thebarfblog-emily.blogspot.com/2008...s-epilepsy.html

this one brings up another point i have read on is turkey meat is not good to give dogs prone to seizures as i believe the triptofan (spelling?) in it triggers something with them - see below

http://sheltie-hair.blogspot.com/2008/09/c...izure-faqs.html

I have even gone so far as to not use any shampoos or conditioners with lavender or rosemary in it as what is put on skin is absorbed into the body and blood therefore i will not take any chances with those two herbs

I have also read to avoid grains in dogs with epilepsy as that can trigger the seizures

I am on 55 dog groups and try to read alot after having 2 with health issues and now demi with the dental situation I have had to learn alot to be their best advocate :)
OMG! my lavender patch will be RIPPED out as soon as I get home! I have avoided rosemary since having malts altho I love the way it makes my yard smell. Lily had a very lethargic issue at around 6 months after tromping through the lavender field! We could not figure out what was wrong and it never happened again. This would explain what happened. Thanks so much for the information! i will have to check all her grooming products.
 
#16 ·
QUOTE (dwerten @ Nov 15 2008, 10:03 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=671395
yep it was me as i am very strict with my dogs diet after dexter almost died of pancreatitis and one night i was lazy and bought a rotisserie chicken that was rosemary so it was real potent and when i tasted it all i could taste was rosemary. Demi had no health issues at all ever for 4 1/2 years and i always added organic baked chicken with her food so being lazy i added a few pieces of the rosemary chicken that night and 12 hrs later almost exactly demi came to me and put her legs on my knees as if to pick her up and she opened her mouth and i saw bile in back of mouth as if to throw up and i set her down to vomit and she fell on her side and went stiff. I freaked and picked her up and she stood stiff and would not move - it was scary and read up and that is a petit mal as grand mal they convulse and petit they go stiff. I knew it was the rosemary as i had read not to give rosemary to dogs prone to seizures but demi was healthy so did not think anything of it so i knew that caused her to act that way. Her food is newman's own organic and it has rosemary and she has never had any reaction like this before so i think the rosemary was so potent it triggered it. So two weeks later i used the petzlife gel and that has rosemary in it and 12 hrs later she started vomitting so we stopped that too. Still on the food but i think the amount is so minute it has not caused issues but i wanted to wait for dental to switch foods so I may be switching her to natural balance. Still investigating but if you check rosemary is in alot of treats and dog food :( I believe it is a natural preservative is why. I was glad it occured before she went under anesthesia so i could warn them in doing propofol over ket/val. I am so glad my post helped in confirming this as that was my first post here as my friend who is on her and who referred me here wanted me to post here after it happened to demi but no one responded so i figured no one ever saw this occur in a maltese before. It was wild as demi has been totally healthy and blood work ok except her teeth issues :([/B]
I read it and was just too busy trying to help my daughter's maltese to respond, but as you see, I didn't forget! :)
Thanks to you and your findings her little maltese is well and no sign of seizures.
I do remember reading dogs do not have to be epileptic to seize from the rosemary extract but can have a sensitivity to it. I wonder how many other herbs, foods, etc., could be causing such harm.
 
#20 ·
Brit~ Thanks for posting this! I am going to throw out the Eukanuba food I've been feeding Abbey. The store was out of Solid Gold Wee bites, so I picked this up. Abbey had a seizure in June & another in October. Abbey is very healthy, blood work checking out...etc. I'm not taking chances...so that food is going out in the garbage. Thanks again, Brit! :grouphug:
 
#21 ·
With several of you experiencing seizures I have checked everything for rosemary. TG the food has no rosemary because Zoey's on a special diet for IBD. I did however have some treats with rosemary. Solid Gold Tiny Tots, California Natural Health Bars and Yummy Chummies. I hate this! I have to be so careful because of the IBD and Zoey is fine with these treats. I'm not taking any chances so out they go. I also just started them both on PetZlife Oral spray. I checked their site for a full list of ingredients and it has rosemary oil. That's a problem because I feel like I need to use something. This is disturbing because rosemary's in so many things.
Thanks for posting and letting us know the dangers of rosemary.
 
#22 ·
From all that I've read oil of rosemary is not toxic. It's the extract and perhaps the rosemary
itself. However, like you, I'd feel safer tossing it too.
Rosemary and it's extract is used for preserving and of course, rosemary flavors.
 
#23 ·
I am so happy it helped your grand baby :) I know i bought the book herbs for pets and read it in there. It is just so hard as everyone and every dog can react so different :( my boy yorkie gets so sick on white potato foods and took a year to figure it out but now know white potato is inflammatory and not good for dogs with ibd - he has a food intolerance to it and gets backed up and vomits :( I try to help where i can as I know how frustrating and scary it can be in dealing with a sick baby :( I am so happy she is doing your daughters lil baby is better now :)



I read it and was just too busy trying to help my daughter's maltese to respond, but as you see, I didn't forget! :)
Thanks to you and your findings her little maltese is well and no sign of seizures.
I do remember reading dogs do not have to be epileptic to seize from the rosemary extract but can have a sensitivity to it. I wonder how many other herbs, foods, etc., could be causing such harm.
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#24 ·
many dog foods do :( newman's own organic has it but demi has never had an issue with food it was when i gave her the rotisserie chicken and the petzlife made her vomit after she had the reaction -- I am looking into another food as soon as urine and dental follow up is done. I am considering solid gold wee bits if anyone is familiar with that one -it does not have rosemary in it or natural balance fish and sweet potato as to the anti-inflammatory in fish diet.


QUOTE (KAG @ Nov 16 2008, 02:57 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=671464
Holy crap! Innova dry small bites has rosemary extract in it.[/B]
 
#25 ·
Now I'm freaking out because I feed J & J a mix of EVO red meat small bites and Nature's Variety Prairie and they both have Rosemary extract as the last ingredient. Should I stop feeding them these foods or if they've been ok, it's ok?
 
#26 ·
I think if you have not seen seizure activity i would not worry as demi eats newmans own organic and has not had a seizure and it has rosemary in it but i am looking to switch her. It was only when she had that chicken and the petzlife and it says do not feed if your dog is prone to seizures so maybe yours will be ok but if you notice any seizure activity i would then stop it.