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**CloudClan** · 03-30-2010, 11:42 PM

Conformation is the only part of the dog show where they cannot be spayed or neutered. In addition to Juniors competition, AKC shows also include obedience and rally-o, or agility and earth dog and all those other events. In fact, it isn't even necessary to have an original AKC registration certificate at all to compete in those other events. AKC rules allow dogs with an unknown pedigree (such as rescue dogs) to compete in all of the following AKC events, with a special registration number called the ILP (indefinite listing privilege):

Agility Trials
Obedience Trials
Tracking Tests
Herding Tests & Trials
Earthdog Trials
Hunt Tests
Lure Coursing
Junior Showmanship

In order to obtain an ILP #, you must provide a statement from your vet that your dog has been spayed or neutered. You also must provide pictures to prove your dog is the breed you are applying for.

**uniquelovdolce** · 03-31-2010, 10:27 AM

interesting ! thanks for answering my questions

**mi_ku_5** · 04-01-2010, 11:47 PM

Not to be argumentative but can't dogs shown in the veteran's class be altered? I believe they have to be Champions as well. So if bought a retired show/breeding dog and wanted to show it just for fun, you could do so in the veteran's class?

**CloudClan** · 04-02-2010, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mi_ku_5

Not to be argumentative but can't dogs shown in the veteran's class be altered? I believe they have to be Champions as well. So if bought a retired show/breeding dog and wanted to show it just for fun, you could do so in the veteran's class?

Oooh, good post and good question. This answer is partially true. Here is the line from the rule book:

Neutered dogs and spayed bitches would be allowed to compete in Veterans Classes only at independent specialties and/or those all-breed shows
which do not offer any competitive classes beyond Best of Breed.

In other words, at most shows it would not be possible to show in veterans class if the dog were altered. Also, it is possible to show in veterans with a non-champion.

Veterans class is not something I am very familiar with, so there may be someone who has more experience who can explain it better.

**Rocky's Mom** · 04-14-2010, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by uniquelovdolce

how does your fluff become a show dog?

what is it to "finish" ?

other than the awards do you get anything else?

what does it mean to stack ?

just curious

Great question...I learned a lot too!

**mi_ku_5** · 05-02-2010, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CloudClan

Oooh, good post and good question. This answer is partially true. Here is the line from the rule book:

Neutered dogs and spayed bitches would be allowed to compete in Veterans Classes only at independent specialties and/or those all-breed shows
which do not offer any competitive classes beyond Best of Breed.

In other words, at most shows it would not be possible to show in veterans class if the dog were altered. Also, it is possible to show in veterans with a non-champion.

Veterans class is not something I am very familiar with, so there may be someone who has more experience who can explain it better.

Thank you so much for the reply! Do group shows go beyond Best of Breed? I'm just wondering what shows those would be besides specialties. I'm guessing "independent specialties" would be those that aren't held at the same time as an all breed show?

**Delilahs Mommy** · 05-02-2010, 10:20 AM

Great post and info!! I learned a lot too!

**lilygirl** · 07-22-2010, 01:24 AM

Who did you take Lucy to when you wanted to find out if she was worthy? My daughter is begging to show Lily. I am concerned she might be young at 9. havent done any kind of showing before so all the info is great.

**bellaratamaltese** · 07-22-2010, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by lilygirl

Who did you take Lucy to when you wanted to find out if she was worthy? My daughter is begging to show Lily. I am concerned she might be young at 9. havent done any kind of showing before so all the info is great.

9 is when my daughter Marina started -it's a great age, IMO. juniors is TOUGH and I was glad she started at the bottom of the age requirement. It has taken her a few years to get it, showing wise. The older the kids get, the tougher the competition seems to get!

When I first decided I wanted to show Lucy, it wasn't for juniors but for conformation. To be evaluated for show, I took her to the breeder who owned her sire but I'd had her shaved so we had to wait for her coat to regrow.

My suggestion would be to find a show in your area and see if there are any maltese entered, then go and talk to them, and maybe take your girl and see if they can look her over for you.

how old is your pup? In juniors, the dogs don't have to be show quaality, although it helps to present a nice pretty picture.

let me know if you need anymore help with this! There aren't many maltese junior handlers, so it's always nice to have more out there!

**spookiesmom** · 07-22-2010, 04:51 PM

If I'm not mistaken the rules have changed and an altered dog can go in the conformation ring. I'm thinking the first of July changed.

There are other fun things to do with your dog, obedience, agility, talley. Again you do it for the fun of it, you can earn titles and ribbons, at the least spend some quality time with your baby and meet other doggy people

03-30-2010, 11:42 PM	#11 (permalink)
CloudClan Maltese Guru Name: Carina Dog's Name: Cadeau, Cadie, Cacia, Cherry B & Cherish (Cloud, Clancy, Clouseau, Cameo & Calypso @ bridge) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,439	Conformation is the only part of the dog show where they cannot be spayed or neutered. In addition to Juniors competition, AKC shows also include obedience and rally-o, or agility and earth dog and all those other events. In fact, it isn't even necessary to have an original AKC registration certificate at all to compete in those other events. AKC rules allow dogs with an unknown pedigree (such as rescue dogs) to compete in all of the following AKC events, with a special registration number called the ILP (indefinite listing privilege): Agility Trials Obedience Trials Tracking Tests Herding Tests & Trials Earthdog Trials Hunt Tests Lure Coursing Junior Showmanship In order to obtain an ILP #, you must provide a statement from your vet that your dog has been spayed or neutered. You also must provide pictures to prove your dog is the breed you are applying for. __________________ *~ Carina & the CloudClan ~*

03-31-2010, 10:27 AM	#12 (permalink)
uniquelovdolce Maltese Guru Name: liza Dog's Name: dolce Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: bx, ny Posts: 5,633	interesting ! thanks for answering my questions __________________ UNIQUE DOLCE " my little dog - a heartbeat at my feet "

05-02-2010, 10:20 AM	#17 (permalink)
Delilahs Mommy Maltese Guru Name: Laura Dog's Name: Samson & Delilah Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Martinez,GA Posts: 1,435	Great post and info!! I learned a lot too! __________________ Rescuing one dog may not change the world , but for that one dog the world will be changed forever. Please buy from reputable exhibitor breeders or adopt from rescue.

07-22-2010, 04:51 PM	#20 (permalink)
spookiesmom Maltese Guru Name: Barb Dog's Name: Spookie Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: west central Fl Posts: 619	If I'm not mistaken the rules have changed and an altered dog can go in the conformation ring. I'm thinking the first of July changed. There are other fun things to do with your dog, obedience, agility, talley. Again you do it for the fun of it, you can earn titles and ribbons, at the least spend some quality time with your baby and meet other doggy people __________________ Barb, Spookie & Holly

04-01-2010, 11:47 PM	#13 (permalink)
mi_ku_5 Maltese Guru Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 462	Not to be argumentative but can't dogs shown in the veteran's class be altered? I believe they have to be Champions as well. So if bought a retired show/breeding dog and wanted to show it just for fun, you could do so in the veteran's class?

07-22-2010, 01:24 AM	#18 (permalink)
lilygirl Member Name: Elisabeth Dog's Name: Princess Lily Fluffy Bum "Lily" and Finnegan "Finn" the Fluff Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: MS Posts: 172	Who did you take Lucy to when you wanted to find out if she was worthy? My daughter is begging to show Lily. I am concerned she might be young at 9. havent done any kind of showing before so all the info is great.

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