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Old 01-07-2013, 03:51 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I guess I will be the only person to say that this is not necessarily animal abuse. A Maltese is capable of laying down in the snow for a moment without injury.

I absolutely do not agree with the methods this guy uses to train dogs, but putting a dog (even a Maltese) in a down-stay in the snow isn't going to hurt them. Now, if he were asking for a several minute long down-stay, I would be concerned about that. I would also be concerned if the dog were out in the snow for a prolonged period of time even walking around because of the paw pads (and cold temps).
I don't think this is for a moment though. This picture in particular doesn't say for how long this was but he starts with 15 min down stays if you look at all the other content on his FB page. It might be wrong to assume anything, but I find it hard to believe this is one place where he would make an exception.
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Old 01-07-2013, 04:01 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I had to go check his facebook pictures. The dog in the snow is "Manolo" lucky enough to be "only" on a 2 weeks training.

The poor Emme at the other hand... 5 weeks training. I'll post two pictures and it you guys check how disturbing is that. On a side note, my dog has a pitbull friend, an extremely well trained dog but they never ever are alone not for a second and the pitbull knows me for 3 years, she actually acts like a lap dog. Still a pitbull right?

Take a look at these two pictures...

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Manolo is Emme's brother. He's there for a second time. I guess his first 5 week training didn't do so well!
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Old 01-07-2013, 04:14 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Manolo is Emme's brother. He's there for a second time. I guess his first 5 week training didn't do so well!
Oh no poor guy. I guess that's proof enough this training doesn't work.
Plus why would you like a robot dog anyways? It breaks my heart.


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Manolo is Emme's brother. He's there for a second time. I guess his first 5 week training didn't do so well!
How disturbing is that.
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Old 01-07-2013, 04:27 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Why does this guy block you from Facebook when you ask him about choke collars prong collars etc my friend asked him in a private message why is he letting the small dogs with the big dogs alone . He said to her let the experts be experts you foolish girl and then blocked her. I mean Wth????????
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Manolo is Emme's brother. He's there for a second time. I guess his first 5 week training didn't do so well!

Hmmmm, I remember the OP clearly saying how well the training worked for Manola. Guess not as well as she let on.
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Pretty sad the whole thing
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Perhaps if you want a dog that will do extended down stays in snow a Maltese is not the right choice. That just seems like torture to me. Maybe training a dog to endure torture would be fine if he's going to be a friggin' Navy Seal. Seems very misguided IMHO.


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I have viewed his Facebook page and watched some of his YouTube videos and honestly, other than the fact that I do not agree with remote collars or prong collars, his training methods are good. Instead of training in small 5-10 minute sessions 3x per day like most trainers suggest, he trains 24/7. I have to say, my dogs do MUCH better when I train throughout the day and not just short sessions -- they are much calmer that way and can focus. In his videos he even specifically says that you do not need to use a prong collar or remote collar if you don't want to. So, while I would never send my dog to him for training, I could see myself adapting some of his methods (not the collars!) to get the results I want for my dogs. Would I put them in a down-stay for an hour? No. Should I be able to put them in a down-stay for 10 minutes when company comes over? Yes. I like the way he does SOME of the training.
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