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**eiksaa** · 01-07-2013, 02:40 AM

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I hate to snoop around, but today I was reminded about the Solid K9 training guy who uses prong collars to train dogs. I went to his Facebook page and saw this picture. It says he is making the malt practice a down stay in snow. His down stays last a LONG time. Would this be OK for a maltese? It just looks so uncomfortable and I am not a big snow fan so it might be just me.

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**AshleyAndSophiePup** · 01-07-2013, 02:59 AM

Sophie refuses to lay down on the hardwood floor, I don't blame her, it's freezing. I would never make a dog of any breed just lay there in the freezing snow for a long time, it just seems mean to me.

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**CloudClan** · 01-07-2013, 03:17 AM

It is asinine for sure.

There are plenty of ways to "proof" stays that do not need to involve HURTING the animals. I say that both the owner and the trainer should have to lie down on the cold snow for just as long as the dog (preferably with no shirt on) and before anyone says that the dog does at least have a fur coat, I would remind them that these are tropical breeds. Not exactly endowed with coat to protect them from snow.

**Summergirl73** · 01-07-2013, 06:13 AM

This "human" does not deserve one more breath of attention ~ unless it is to be shut down. Seriously he and those who attend his trainings are utterly clueless. Sickens me.

**WeeGrace** · 01-07-2013, 06:17 AM

I saw this too I pop in and out every now and again to check in the little dog and I had the same reaction I was horrified. Why make a Maltese lie in snow when humans don't even lie in the snow!!! It's horrifying. Daisy won't go out f its frosty never mind snow!!!

**pippersmom** · 01-07-2013, 06:17 AM

My opinion is ..........that is definitely a form of abuse!!!!!!!!!!Poor little thing. I know when DH walked Pipper this morning, Pipper kept just falling over in the snow because his little feet were so cold. DH had to pick him up and carry him till his feet warmed up. Laying down for long periods would be unbearable. This really really upsets me seeing this. Just my opinion.

**edelweiss** · 01-07-2013, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CloudClan

It is asinine for sure.

There are plenty of ways to "proof" stays that do not need to involve HURTING the animals. I say that both the owner and the trainer should have to lie down on the cold snow for just as long as the dog (preferably with no shirt on) and before anyone says that the dog does at least have a fur coat, I would remind them that these are tropical breeds. Not exactly endowed with coat to protect them from snow.

**nwyant1946** · 01-07-2013, 07:41 AM

Maltese don't have an undercoat for insulation. That just seems cruel to me.

**jenna123** · 01-07-2013, 08:47 AM

That is cruel! Why can't he do it indoors??? I feel bad already taking Booo to the washroom for 5-15mins

but the weather is not so bad these days here

, hope it stays like this.

**maltese manica** · 01-07-2013, 09:06 AM

It's been abuse from day one for that poor baby
In the snow and cold my vet recommends that they wear coats or sweaters
I called the humane society here in Ontario but they say they cannot do anything about it
Seeing this pic is gross just plain gross

01-07-2013, 02:40 AM	#1 (permalink)
eiksaa Maltese Guru Name: Aastha Dog's Name: Gustave Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,288	Does this count as animal abuse? I hate to snoop around, but today I was reminded about the Solid K9 training guy who uses prong collars to train dogs. I went to his Facebook page and saw this picture. It says he is making the malt practice a down stay in snow. His down stays last a LONG time. Would this be OK for a maltese? It just looks so uncomfortable and I am not a big snow fan so it might be just me. Sent from my iPhone using Petguide.com Free App __________________

01-07-2013, 02:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
AshleyAndSophiePup Maltese Guru Name: Ashley Dog's Name: Sophie Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Western Washington Posts: 934	Sophie refuses to lay down on the hardwood floor, I don't blame her, it's freezing. I would never make a dog of any breed just lay there in the freezing snow for a long time, it just seems mean to me. Sent from my iPhone using Petguide.com Free App __________________ Ashley & Sophie

01-07-2013, 03:17 AM	#3 (permalink)
CloudClan Maltese Guru Name: Carina Dog's Name: Cadeau, Cadie, Cacia, CherryB, Cherish & Charm (Cloud, Clancy, Clouseau, Cameo & Calypso @ bridge) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,755	It is asinine for sure. There are plenty of ways to "proof" stays that do not need to involve HURTING the animals. I say that both the owner and the trainer should have to lie down on the cold snow for just as long as the dog (preferably with no shirt on) and before anyone says that the dog does at least have a fur coat, I would remind them that these are tropical breeds. Not exactly endowed with coat to protect them from snow. __________________ *~ Carina & the CloudClan ~*

01-07-2013, 06:13 AM	#4 (permalink)
Summergirl73 Maltese Guru Name: Bridget Dog's Name: Lady Bella (and Katie & Lucky at The Bridge) Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,756	This "human" does not deserve one more breath of attention ~ unless it is to be shut down. Seriously he and those who attend his trainings are utterly clueless. Sickens me. __________________ "A weed is just a plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered."

01-07-2013, 06:17 AM	#6 (permalink)
pippersmom Maltese Guru Name: Kathy Dog's Name: Pipper Join Date: May 2012 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,402	My opinion is ..........that is definitely a form of abuse!!!!!!!!!!Poor little thing. I know when DH walked Pipper this morning, Pipper kept just falling over in the snow because his little feet were so cold. DH had to pick him up and carry him till his feet warmed up. Laying down for long periods would be unbearable. This really really upsets me seeing this. Just my opinion. __________________ He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion. Last edited by pippersmom; 01-07-2013 at 06:31 AM.

01-07-2013, 06:17 AM	#5 (permalink)
WeeGrace Maltese Guru Name: Grace Dog's Name: Daisy Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ireland Posts: 555	I saw this too I pop in and out every now and again to check in the little dog and I had the same reaction I was horrified. Why make a Maltese lie in snow when humans don't even lie in the snow!!! It's horrifying. Daisy won't go out f its frosty never mind snow!!!

01-07-2013, 07:41 AM	#8 (permalink)
nwyant1946 Maltese Guru Name: Nancy Wyant Dog's Name: Mia Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Highlands County, Florida Posts: 1,029	Maltese don't have an undercoat for insulation. That just seems cruel to me.

01-07-2013, 08:47 AM	#9 (permalink)
jenna123 Maltese Guru Name: Shirley Ng Dog's Name: Boo Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 383	That is cruel! Why can't he do it indoors??? I feel bad already taking Booo to the washroom for 5-15mins but the weather is not so bad these days here , hope it stays like this.

01-07-2013, 09:06 AM	#10 (permalink)
maltese manica Maltese Guru Name: Janene Dog's Name: Babinka, Tiny Tina and Peppino Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Canada, Ontario Posts: 2,006	It's been abuse from day one for that poor baby In the snow and cold my vet recommends that they wear coats or sweaters I called the humane society here in Ontario but they say they cannot do anything about it Seeing this pic is gross just plain gross

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