Iams Cruelty

[evadoggy]

This is crazy! I can't believe that they are actually doing that. Fortunately I don't use their products either.

[domino_angel]

Unfortunately, PETA is legit. They have a cause, and they aren't doing anything to call themselves into question while fighting for that cause.
The problem people have with PETA is that they often stretch the rules or lie their way into facilities where animal testing is done. It is a necessary evil if they are going to get the videos they need to prove inhumane treatment. Some of the footage on their website might be outdated, I don't know. I do know they are upfront about when the footage was shot. However, PETA does not "make things up". Maybe if it makes you feel better to pretend PETA is full of BS, go right ahead.

BTW, I am not a member of PETA, nor am I a crazy "tree huggin' hippie".

Iams is pretty ...how can I say this nicely... "common" quality food. Meaning, there are many much better brands. So, not using that brand is no real sacrifice.

Here's the problem I have with the Iam's rebuttal; What were other non-Iams related animals doing in the same facility? And, why would a "reputable" company use a facility where animals were being mistreated?? If they want to claim ignorance, fine, but that isn't what they are saying! Surely a multi-national company like Iams can afford its own testing facility, without using services of a disreputable lab. Or, perhaps the entire lab DOES belong to Iams, in which case they STILL have NO defense.

Also, keep in mind that Iams is not saying that this video is fraudulent, which they could have. They are acknowledging the authenticity of the film by not challenging it. So, tell me again how PETA has gone wrong...?

[3Maltmom]

QUOTE (domino_angel @ Jul 21 2008, 12:06 PM)

They have a cause, and they aren't doing anything to call themselves into question while fighting for that cause.[/B]

PETA has done many things to call themselves into question.

[domino_angel]

QUOTE (3Maltmom @ Jul 21 2008, 12:37 PM)

QUOTE (domino_angel @ Jul 21 2008, 12:06 PM)

They have a cause, and they aren't doing anything to call themselves into question while fighting for that cause.[/B]

PETA has done many things to call themselves into question.
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Not saying you are wrong... But, What have they done? Do you have evidence to back up this argument?

[Cosy]

Here's some info that may help.
PETA Kills Animals | PetaKillsAnimals.com

[3Maltmom]

QUOTE (domino_angel @ Jul 21 2008, 01:20 PM)

QUOTE (3Maltmom @ Jul 21 2008, 12:37 PM)

QUOTE (domino_angel @ Jul 21 2008, 12:06 PM)

They have a cause, and they aren't doing anything to call themselves into question while fighting for that cause.[/B]

PETA has done many things to call themselves into question.
[/B][/QUOTE]


Not saying you are wrong... But, What have they done? Do you have evidence to back up this argument?
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Simply google PETA. You can also do a search on this forum. We've had several discussions, with regards to PETA.

This is not an argument. Of course they have done some "questionable" things.

Also, I do not pretend PETA is full of BS. This is an opinion, I have formed thru the years.

[Nikki's Mom]

Look, we all know animal cruelty is out there in a huge way no matter how we feel about PETA. And we all know that big corporations don't give a darn about anything but profit.

One thing I've learned from having to do tons of research for my writing is that news and news sources, even controversial orgs like PETA (despite their methods - which are sometimes deceptive and sometimes illegal) get it right at least some of the time, whether I agree or disagree with them as an organization. It's just like when I read Pravda (Russian newspaper) or watch cable news. Maybe they only get things accurate some of the time. But I can't assume they are lying because I don't agree with their methods or their political slant. I gather information, I use my brain to sift it, and then I decide what is true, regardless of whether I am in complete agreement with the source of that information. I can't close my mind and dismiss some news sources because they are liberal, or conservative, or communist, or radical, whatever. There is usually at least one nugget of truth in it.

It would be a scary world if everyone only believed information if it only came from a source they always agreed with.

[domino_angel]

QUOTE (Nikki's Mom @ Jul 21 2008, 02:09 PM)

Look, we all know animal cruelty is out there in a huge way no matter how we feel about PETA. And we all know that big corporations don't give a darn about anything but profit.

One thing I've learned from having to do tons of research for my writing is that news and news sources, even controversial orgs like PETA (despite their methods - which are sometimes deceptive and sometimes illegal) get it right at least some of the time, whether I agree or disagree with them as an organization. It's just like when I read Pravda (Russian newspaper) or watch cable news. Maybe they only get things accurate some of the time. But I can't assume they are lying because I don't agree with their methods or their political slant. I gather information, I use my brain to sift it, and then I decide what is true, regardless of whether I am in complete agreement with the source of that information. I can't close my mind and dismiss some news sources because they are liberal, or conservative, or communist, or radical, whatever. There is usually at least one nugget of truth in it.

It would be a scary world if everyone only believed information if it only came from a source they always agreed with.[/B]

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Of course we don't have to believe everything we hear. I know that PETA stretches their info to suit their purposes, but it is hard to ignore video evidence....... Nikki's mom is an excellent critical thinker!

[domino_angel]

QUOTE (CuteCosyNToy @ Jul 21 2008, 01:44 PM)

Here's some info that may help.
PETA Kills Animals | PetaKillsAnimals.com[/B]

Now this is very helpful evidence in questioning PETA. It even appears to be something that could be fact-checked, and I bet it would come out fine. There are government collected stats listed here, and they make PETA look quite bad. Very interesting.

This is something to think about. Still though, I am not going to rush out and buy some Iams. :P

[3Maltmom]

QUOTE (domino_angel @ Jul 21 2008, 05:14 PM)

Still though, I am not going to rush out and buy some Iams. :P[/B]

Nor am I

Iams just gonna stick with what Iams a feedin'