Can food be too high in protein?

[Toby's Mom]

Because I am a dork and apparently I having nothing better to do ( ), I looked up a bunch of canned/wet dog foods using JMM's formula.

Here are the results that I came up with:
Evangers
Cooked Chicken Gold--50% protein
All Fresh Vegetarian Dinner--29% protein
100% Chicken--45% protein

Ziwipeak
Venison & Fish--40% protein

Wysong
Maintanice--28% protein

Wellness
Chicken & Sweet Potato--36% protein

Timberwolf
Lamb & Chicken Liver Formula--55% protein

Nature's Variety
Instinct--36% protein

Halo
Spot's Stew--29% protein


I haven't looked at dry food yet and this is just my understanding using the formula provided by JMM. You may want to double check my figures. Maybe later today, I will look into dry. I am really disappointed that nothing I found was lower than 28%. I even tried Mighty Dog and they were high too. I was going to calculate Alpo, but they don't list the ingredients on their site. Gee, I wonder why?

[jmm]

http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-bet...y-matter-basis/

[Toby's Mom]

QUOTE (JMM @ May 20 2009, 07:20 PM)

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Thank you very much! I find this very interesting.

[tamizami]

To me, the scariest numbers are the fat content! I occassionally add a little Instinct Rabbit canned and its got 7% fat, which sounds innocent enough until you do the conversion to dry matter and its a whopping 28%!!!!!!!

[Toby's Mom]

QUOTE (tamizami @ May 20 2009, 10:43 PM)

To me, the scariest numbers are the fat content! I occassionally add a little Instinct Rabbit canned and its got 7% fat, which sounds innocent enough until you do the conversion to dry matter and its a whopping 28%!!!!!!! [/B]

I am finding this whole thing very interesting. Now, it seems, there isn't a decent food out there! Maybe I should just give up and go to bed!

[Toby's Mom]

Yeah, I'm beating that dead horse! LOL e: However, I find this subject fascinating.

I was doing a bit more research on canned foods and found Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance Vegetarian Canned Formula For Dogs to have only 23% protein and 14% fat. This is the lowest I have found. However, I don't know if this formula is out on the market yet.

With all this said, let me throw this out there to anyone who is actually reading this thread since I seemed to have killed it.

It seems to me that most of us feed our Malts higher quality foods and none of the foods I have looked at have been low in protein (I am only talking canned right now). With that said, no one's dogs seem to be effected, so is there really a need for concern?

Just something to chew on. I'll be back later to keep talking to myself!

[yorkieville]

QUOTE (Tobys Mom @ May 21 2009, 01:03 AM)

Yeah, I'm beating that dead horse! LOL e: However, I find this subject fascinating.

I was doing a bit more research on canned foods and found Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance Vegetarian Canned Formula For Dogs to have only 23% protein and 14% fat. This is the lowest I have found. However, I don't know if this formula is out on the market yet.

With all this said, let me throw this out there to anyone who is actually reading this thread since I seemed to have killed it.

It seems to me that most of us feed our Malts higher quality foods and none of the foods I have looked at have been low in protein (I am only talking canned right now). With that said, no one's dogs seem to be effected, so is there really a need for concern?

Just something to chew on. I'll be back later to keep talking to myself! [/B]

Actually, you haven't been talking to yourself. I have been following the thread, and I am interested in your analysis. But I haven't been able to reply, because I get up at 5:30 for morning mass, then coffee with my group, came home, bathed one of my girls, now have to bathe the other, make a pie, and get dressed for an Awards Night.

It's interesting. Even with the higher protein and fat content, my Sydney, who has a tendency to gain, maintains a normal weight on Evangers Cooked Chicken/Gold, with some vegetables mixed in it.

However, when I feed my girls a kibble with a protein of say, 28% and fat of 18%, Sydney gains very quickly, and both my girls tinkle all day long.

I 'think' it has to do with the type of protein.

What do you think?

Sheila

[Toby's Mom]

Yep, I am back! e: e: e:

Today, I took a look at dry dog foods (I tried to stick with chicken and the brands I had looked at before) and here is what I found...

46% Protein
EVO Small Bites
Nature's Variety Chicken Meal Formula
Orijen Adult

31% Protein
Halo Wholesome Chicken

29% ProteinCastor & Pullux Organix Adult
Evanger's Chicken with Browin Rice

28% Protein
Pinnacle Chicken & Oats
HealthWise Chicken Meal & Oatmeal
Evolve Mainence Formula with Chicken

27% Protein
Fromm's Chicken A La Veg
Wysong Synorgon
Innova Adult Dry Dog Food

26% Protein
Artemis Fresh Mix
Merrick Grammy's Pot Pie
AvoDerm Chicken Meal & Brown Rice

24% Protein
Natural Balance Organic Formula
TimberWolf Black Forest Venison & Lamb
Wellness Chicken Recipe

23%
California Natural's Chicken Meal & Rice

22% Protein
Karma Organic

20% Protein
Natural Balance Vegetarian Formula

So Natural Balance being the lowest in protein, I am assuming is because there is no meat in the food.

After having looked at all this, I keep going back to my original conclusion that we are all pretty much feeding our Malts food that is on list list and most of our dogs are not sickly. Sooooo...is there any truth or validity to this? I don't know.

Oh, on a side note, I have a list of obscure dog foods and websites for the food and I looked them up as well. They all ranged somewhere in the 22-31% protein range as well.

I hope this helps someone!

[Desiree]

QUOTE (Tobys Mom @ May 22 2009, 01:13 AM)

Yep, I am back! e: e: e:

Today, I took a look at dry dog foods (I tried to stick with chicken and the brands I had looked at before) and here is what I found...

46% Protein
EVO Small Bites
Nature's Variety Chicken Meal Formula
Orijen Adult

31% Protein
Halo Wholesome Chicken

29% ProteinCastor & Pullux Organix Adult
Evanger's Chicken with Browin Rice

28% Protein
Pinnacle Chicken & Oats
HealthWise Chicken Meal & Oatmeal
Evolve Mainence Formula with Chicken

27% Protein
Fromm's Chicken A La Veg
Wysong Synorgon
Innova Adult Dry Dog Food

26% Protein
Artemis Fresh Mix
Merrick Grammy's Pot Pie
AvoDerm Chicken Meal & Brown Rice

24% Protein
Natural Balance Organic Formula
TimberWolf Black Forest Venison & Lamb
Wellness Chicken Recipe

23%
California Natural's Chicken Meal & Rice

22% Protein
Karma Organic

20% Protein
Natural Balance Vegetarian Formula

So Natural Balance being the lowest in protein, I am assuming is because there is no meat in the food.

After having looked at all this, I keep going back to my original conclusion that we are all pretty much feeding our Malts food that is on list list and most of our dogs are not sickly. Sooooo...is there any truth or validity to this? I don't know.

Oh, on a side note, I have a list of obscure dog foods and websites for the food and I looked them up as well. They all ranged somewhere in the 22-31% protein range as well.

I hope this helps someone![/B]

That is the never-ending debate. I do know, however, that high protein is not appropriate for dogs that have kidney problems or liver shunts as it tends to make the situation worse.

<div align='center'>Desiree & Eros

[Toby's Mom]

QUOTE (Desiree @ May 26 2009, 02:29 PM)

That is the never-ending debate. I do know, however, that high protein is not appropriate for dogs that have kidney problems or liver shunts as it tends to make the situation worse.

<div align='center'>Desiree & Eros

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I would be interested in knowing what brand of food people feed their Malts with kidney or liver problems and apply this formula. My guess, is that it might come out in the mid-to high 20% range.