A vent...I met a puppy broker today! - Maltese Dogs Forum : Spoiled Maltese Forums

**Kissi's Mom** · 09-10-2010, 01:01 AM

I went to the hairdressers today and she was telling me about the "teacup
yorkie" she now has...it is 10 wks old...she has had it for a little over 2 weeks...she is only about a pound and a half. I got sick to my stomach just listening!! All I could tell her was she really needed to watch her very carefully (the pup was at home alone today...duh!!) because of her size and hypoglycemia. It would have served no purpose if I had blasted her for what she had done...she is so in love with the little thing and she has no clue so I chose to try and give her some advice instead. Later she was telling another customer about how wonderful her breeder is and I tried without being toooo pushy to explain to the customer just exactly what she might be getting into with a pup so small and told her to go online and research the many health problems that could and often do effect a pup so small/young and I told her that no reputable breeder would let a toy pup go before 12 weeks and that before buying she should see both parents, their papers, and proof of health testing if at all possible...just about that time the "breeder" walked in. NOT A GOOD THING!! He was talking about the different breeds he "sells" so I asked him if he bred them himself...he said no,his Mom did and he also buys from several other "breeders" in the area...I said...then what you are is a "broker"...he took great offense to that...we then had a discussion about puppymills and of course he was totally against them...I ask how much he sold his maltese and yorkies for ...$600...I told him my Kissi came from a very reputable show breeder and he informed me
that all show dogs were inbred and they (show breeders) were just as bad as puppymills...he said that linebreeding is a fancy term for inbreeding. At that point I told him that many reputable breeders would not breed a female smaller than 5 lbs because of the risk to her life and he said "yeah, well where do you think 3.5 lbs dogs come from then? Needless to say it is a good thing my hair had already been cut when this whole discussion started or I may be totally bald tonite!!! This guy is actually talking about opening a "puppy store" in our area!! I love my hairdresser, have known her for a long time but after today I am not sure I can ever go back to that shop...I am just sick!! How can anyone in this day and age be stupid enough to believe a creep like that is legit...
I hope and pray that my hairdresser has dodged the bullet and her little yorkie is healthy but my fear is she is a little time bomb waiting to explode.
Sorry this is so long but this has just not been a good day!
Linda

**bellaratamaltese** · 09-10-2010, 01:08 AM

oh UGH. How frustrating! I love how bybers/brokers justify themselves - the sad thing is, they might actually believe it! Good for you for taking a stand!

**heartmadeforyou** · 09-10-2010, 04:05 AM

You were brave. Hopefully you planted some seeds of concern in the minds of those around you. Hard to walk the line between being combative and taking a strong stand.

**Miss_Annie** · 09-10-2010, 09:46 AM

I'm so glad you took a stand against that nasty man! He needs to be put in his place and be told exactly what he is!!

**aprilb** · 09-10-2010, 10:09 AM

Ugh! Sounds like a real creep. My first Maltese came from a backyard breeder. He was on the large side and sadly, he was a ticking time bomb. The "breeder", although she was very nice and her dogs well-cared for, she gave no thought to the breeding. Her female should never have been bred. I was ignorant at the time.

**Bailey&Me** · 09-10-2010, 10:31 AM

Good for you for telling him off! It must have been so frustrating for you. I come across a lot of people singing praises of their breeder...who sound exactly like BYBs or even puppymills to me...it's very frustrating but the reality is that sadly, the majority of people out there are in the dark when it comes to who is a good breeder and who isn't. I'm glad you spoke up and also that you gave great advice to the new Yorkie owner...hope her puppy doesn't have any problems!!

**Snowbody** · 09-10-2010, 11:11 AM

Linda - I'm so happy you spoke up. The guy is such a greeder and defending the slimy work he does.His mother my a**. I can't believe he came into the hairdresser's. I've been in similar positions trying to educate others about breeding and it's a really tough one, but I think as someone else said if you plant the seeds. I would not be hesitant to go back to get your hair done. I'm sure your beautician heard you (seeds) and might have other questions down the road that she might want to ask you. Unless she really indicated she didn't want you back as a customer I would still use her. You might be saving the little Yorkie's life with your info.

**tonicoombs** · 09-10-2010, 11:29 AM

Oh Linda, I can't imagine being in your position. I believe I would have felt compelled to do the same thing you did by politely planting seeds for everyone to hear about the dangers of what this breeder is doing. Can you imagine how tiny this little Yorkie's internal organs must be? It makes you wonder if the little guy's system will hold up in the long run. And it's not the puppy's fault. And letting the pup go at 8 weeks? Unbelievable! I wish there were more folks like you who would approach the issue in a polite and tactful manner. Your approach, a non-argumentative one, shows that you're a class act, which I believe draws people's attention more and makes them take you more seriously than if you yelled and screamed at the so-called "breeder". He should be ashamed. If he got defensive, he must know that what he is doing is wrong.

On behalf of myself and my Jasper, thank you!

Toni

**Dixie's Mama** · 09-10-2010, 12:49 PM

Good for you for remaining calm enough to talk intelligently to that creep Linda. I hope your hairdresser has dodged the bullet too. I'm proud of you saying as much as you did to that guy. I'm sure your words made some around you think about what is right.

I haven't come up with a way to get through to people who believe they purchased their dog from a breeder when I know otherwise. It's touchy when they love their dog and believe it's well bred. How do you tell them about BYB without offending them and getting into an argument? They believe what they believe and that's it.

**godiva goddess** · 09-10-2010, 05:31 PM

Linda, thank you for speaking up! You are helping to educate and spread awareness.

09-10-2010, 01:01 AM	#1 (permalink)
Kissi's Mom Maltese Guru Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Powhatan, Va. Posts: 451	A vent...I met a puppy broker today! I went to the hairdressers today and she was telling me about the "teacup yorkie" she now has...it is 10 wks old...she has had it for a little over 2 weeks...she is only about a pound and a half. I got sick to my stomach just listening!! All I could tell her was she really needed to watch her very carefully (the pup was at home alone today...duh!!) because of her size and hypoglycemia. It would have served no purpose if I had blasted her for what she had done...she is so in love with the little thing and she has no clue so I chose to try and give her some advice instead. Later she was telling another customer about how wonderful her breeder is and I tried without being toooo pushy to explain to the customer just exactly what she might be getting into with a pup so small and told her to go online and research the many health problems that could and often do effect a pup so small/young and I told her that no reputable breeder would let a toy pup go before 12 weeks and that before buying she should see both parents, their papers, and proof of health testing if at all possible...just about that time the "breeder" walked in. NOT A GOOD THING!! He was talking about the different breeds he "sells" so I asked him if he bred them himself...he said no,his Mom did and he also buys from several other "breeders" in the area...I said...then what you are is a "broker"...he took great offense to that...we then had a discussion about puppymills and of course he was totally against them...I ask how much he sold his maltese and yorkies for ...$600...I told him my Kissi came from a very reputable show breeder and he informed me that all show dogs were inbred and they (show breeders) were just as bad as puppymills...he said that linebreeding is a fancy term for inbreeding. At that point I told him that many reputable breeders would not breed a female smaller than 5 lbs because of the risk to her life and he said "yeah, well where do you think 3.5 lbs dogs come from then? Needless to say it is a good thing my hair had already been cut when this whole discussion started or I may be totally bald tonite!!! This guy is actually talking about opening a "puppy store" in our area!! I love my hairdresser, have known her for a long time but after today I am not sure I can ever go back to that shop...I am just sick!! How can anyone in this day and age be stupid enough to believe a creep like that is legit... I hope and pray that my hairdresser has dodged the bullet and her little yorkie is healthy but my fear is she is a little time bomb waiting to explode. Sorry this is so long but this has just not been a good day! Linda

09-10-2010, 01:08 AM	#2 (permalink)
bellaratamaltese Maltese Guru Name: Stacy Dog's Name: Lucy, Lois, Caira, Andrew and Emma Join Date: May 2006 Location: Central Valley, California Posts: 11,425	oh UGH. How frustrating! I love how bybers/brokers justify themselves - the sad thing is, they might actually believe it! Good for you for taking a stand! __________________

09-10-2010, 04:05 AM	#3 (permalink)
heartmadeforyou Maltese Guru Name: Miki Miller Dog's Name: Bogie Join Date: May 2009 Location: Marion, IA Posts: 1,113	You were brave. Hopefully you planted some seeds of concern in the minds of those around you. Hard to walk the line between being combative and taking a strong stand. __________________ Miki and Bogie Marion, IA Please visit http://myblog.heartmadeforyou.com/

09-10-2010, 10:09 AM	#5 (permalink)
aprilb Maltese Guru Name: April B Dog's Name: Rose & Lily(Josymir), Eva Victoria(I Lovitt) Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Southeastern U.S. Posts: 3,188	Ugh! Sounds like a real creep. My first Maltese came from a backyard breeder. He was on the large side and sadly, he was a ticking time bomb. The "breeder", although she was very nice and her dogs well-cared for, she gave no thought to the breeding. Her female should never have been bred. I was ignorant at the time. __________________

09-10-2010, 10:31 AM	#6 (permalink)
Bailey&Me Maltese Guru Name: Nida Dog's Name: Bailey (honorary Maltese) Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Northern VA (Washington, DC area) Posts: 1,983	Good for you for telling him off! It must have been so frustrating for you. I come across a lot of people singing praises of their breeder...who sound exactly like BYBs or even puppymills to me...it's very frustrating but the reality is that sadly, the majority of people out there are in the dark when it comes to who is a good breeder and who isn't. I'm glad you spoke up and also that you gave great advice to the new Yorkie owner...hope her puppy doesn't have any problems!! __________________

09-10-2010, 09:46 AM	#4 (permalink)
Miss_Annie Maltese Guru Name: Annie Dog's Name: Trinket Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,729	I'm so glad you took a stand against that nasty man! He needs to be put in his place and be told exactly what he is!!

09-10-2010, 11:11 AM	#7 (permalink)
Snowbody Maltese Guru Name: Susan Dog's Name: Tyler Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 12,942	Linda - I'm so happy you spoke up. The guy is such a greeder and defending the slimy work he does.His mother my a**. I can't believe he came into the hairdresser's. I've been in similar positions trying to educate others about breeding and it's a really tough one, but I think as someone else said if you plant the seeds. I would not be hesitant to go back to get your hair done. I'm sure your beautician heard you (seeds) and might have other questions down the road that she might want to ask you. Unless she really indicated she didn't want you back as a customer I would still use her. You might be saving the little Yorkie's life with your info. __________________

09-10-2010, 11:29 AM	#8 (permalink)
tonicoombs Member Name: Toni Dog's Name: Jasper Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 86	Oh Linda, I can't imagine being in your position. I believe I would have felt compelled to do the same thing you did by politely planting seeds for everyone to hear about the dangers of what this breeder is doing. Can you imagine how tiny this little Yorkie's internal organs must be? It makes you wonder if the little guy's system will hold up in the long run. And it's not the puppy's fault. And letting the pup go at 8 weeks? Unbelievable! I wish there were more folks like you who would approach the issue in a polite and tactful manner. Your approach, a non-argumentative one, shows that you're a class act, which I believe draws people's attention more and makes them take you more seriously than if you yelled and screamed at the so-called "breeder". He should be ashamed. If he got defensive, he must know that what he is doing is wrong. On behalf of myself and my Jasper, thank you! Toni __________________ 'There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.' ~ Ben Williams [SIGPIC]

09-10-2010, 12:49 PM	#9 (permalink)
Dixie's Mama Maltese Guru Name: Elaine Dog's Name: Dixie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: FL Posts: 4,561	Good for you for remaining calm enough to talk intelligently to that creep Linda. I hope your hairdresser has dodged the bullet too. I'm proud of you saying as much as you did to that guy. I'm sure your words made some around you think about what is right. I haven't come up with a way to get through to people who believe they purchased their dog from a breeder when I know otherwise. It's touchy when they love their dog and believe it's well bred. How do you tell them about BYB without offending them and getting into an argument? They believe what they believe and that's it. __________________

09-10-2010, 05:31 PM	#10 (permalink)
godiva goddess Maltese Guru Name: Mia's Mommy Dog's Name: Chrisman's Princess Mia and Dazzle's Gemma Bean Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Loubouholic Land Posts: 2,888	Linda, thank you for speaking up! You are helping to educate and spread awareness. __________________ "Dogs never bite me. Just humans" Marilyn Monroe Chrisman's Princess Mia and Dazzle's Gemma Bean

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